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Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Itsonlybridgetagain · 25/11/2024 13:38

Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

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Scentedjasmin · 07/12/2024 10:58

Itsonlybridgetagain · 25/11/2024 13:38

Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

I've just finished listening to the 'A Normal Family' Podcast. There is absolutely no way that it wasn't Patsy. In a nutshell:
5 handwriting experts couldn't rule out Patsy as the writer of the note.
It was written on a pad of her paper using her pen.
It was the longest ever ransome note in America history. It would have taken a minimum of 20 minutes to write.
The autopsy showed that Jonbenet suffered a large head injury up to 2 hours before any signs of strangulation.
She was dressed (in her top half) in the same blouse as she wore all Christmas Day. Her parents accounts about what she wore to bed differed and changed, as did their account of the evening. They changed accounts from carrying her into bed asleep to reading her a bedtime story and tucking her in (but not changing her for bed). On her bottom half she wore some old long Johns that were too small and once belonged to her brother. It is speculated that Patsy took these from a bag destined to the charity shop found at the bottom of the stairs. The body wasn't found staged, but covered up and hidden. The ransom note was written clearly to John and included the strong suggestion that he gets up early to go to the bank. If he was out if the house early, then Patsy could have then sneaked out to dump the body elsewhere and that John was unaware. The code at the bottom of the Ransom note was found to be the same initials that they had on a plaque in the house and an organisation that John had previously worked for. The amount in the ransom note was similar to a bonus John had received.

Patsy Ramsay didn't tell the truth about what she was wearing that night, claiming to have worn a Christmas jumper. She wore a black jacket, the fibres of which were found under the duct tape, in the rope tied around her neck and wrists and on jonbenet's body.

Other DNA found on the body was of such a small trace amount that experts concluded that it was of little irrelevance. There were 6 different dna profiles in tiny trace amounts, so it doesn't point to one intruder.

John admitted to having previously broken the window. His accounts as to how far it was left open differed from a tiny amount to wide open.

There was a stone grate that concealed the basement well to the window. An intruder wouldn't have easily known about the existence of a window beneath it. In any event, police officers noted cobwebs still in place indicating that it hadn't been moved.

Jonbenets underwear and bottoms of what she was wearing that night were found in her bedroom indicating that something happened to her whilst she was getting undressed. All pathologists agreed that there was evidence of prior abuse/scarring to the vagina that had occurred at least 10 days prior to her death. Bed soiling is also a strong indication of abuse.

The 'taser'/'stun gun' marks reported by the detective had been ruled by several experts to be abrasions and not burn marks. No model of stun gun lined up with the marks. Stun guns also appeared cause a lot of noise/screaming/thudding and are not a silent way to incapacitate a victim.

The Ramseys refused to cooperate with police, instead moving areas and getting attorneys and PR agents.

To me the physical evidence points overwhelmingly to Patsy with John believing it to be an accident and helping cover it up.

CandyMaker · 07/12/2024 14:38

I think arguments can be made both ways as to which parent actually murdered her. But it is clear one of them did, and the other helped cover it up. Nothing else makes sense.

CandyMaker · 07/12/2024 17:27

"The coroner who did the autopsy did see signs of previous sexual abuse, but couldn’t say when it occurred. The Boulder PD decided to put together a panel of child sexual abuse experts to examine the body and look into the case. This panel included John McCann, who created the standard now used to define child sexual assault in hospitals and police cases. Basically, these are authorities on the topic. The strongest evidence of the previous sexual abuse is that it was allowed into the grand jury evidence:

The other four people on the panel were Richard Krugman, James Monteleone, Valerie Rao and Andrew Sirotnak. Every sexual abuse expert who examined the genital findings from JBR’s autopsy recognized physical signs of sexual abuse that predated her murder. The only thing they couldn’t agree on was when and how often it occurred. McCann said the abrasions were 7-10 days healed, Rao said it could be 2 months, some didn’t feel comfortable trying to date it but could say it was damage that predated her death."

https://deeptrouble.substack.com/p/why-the-jonbenet-case-still-feels?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Why the JonBenet Case Still Feels Like a Mystery

This case has likely been solved, but will never see justice. The real mystery is why.

https://deeptrouble.substack.com/p/why-the-jonbenet-case-still-feels

monkfruitmartini · 08/12/2024 07:54

Read the autopsy report. The coroner reported "chronic inflammation" not "signs of previous sexual abuse", which he thought could be down to any number of non SA causes.

westisbest1982 · 14/12/2024 18:45

I finally watched it all and was really disappointed how one-sided the series was - I wonder if one of the producers knows John on a personal level?

A TV drama about the murder is out next year, btw, which stars Melissa McCarthy as Patsy and Clive Owen as John.

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