Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

I don’t know why you’re so keen to personally insult me. I haven’t insulted you. I’m simply asked for any evidence which points at the Ramseys. That you can’t provide any suggests there isn’t any.

Just post the evidence. I’m open minded enough to look at the evidence and change my mind about the Ramseys involvement.

This is a microcosm of the Reddit board where anyone who doesn’t blindly follow the Ramseys did it is attacked.

The crime/accident/cover
up occurred in the home

Yes, it absolutely did.

by some
or all who lived in the house.

This is not fact. I think it’s improbable. There is not overwhelming circumstantial evidence. There is no circumstantial evidence.

You are so right @O6bftdff there is no circumstantial evidence 😂😂😂

I know. If there was, I’d have been enlightened as to what it is by posters sure of their guilt by now.

🤡

All of this. But I don't think JonBenet was raped. I thought the autopsy said her hymen was still intact.

@O6bftdff has been hired by the Ramseys to drive us all crazy 🤪

It didn’t. She was abused with an object with materials consistent with the paintbrush snapped and used for the garrotte.

Why is it so hard to provide evidence against them?

I’m just not interacting with that account now. Utterly pointless.

It’s not. You just don’t want to hear it. There’s a lot of stuff out there, including an interview with the detective who spent the first day with them; a number of books, eg Kolar’s; the autopsy; forensics, etc etc.

Frankly, it doesn’t matter what we say because you’ll just say it’s false. I’d be interested to hear who you think did it and your comments on the batshit ransom note - which was a waste of time because she was dead by then. I’d also like to hear how you think an intruder evaded BR, who has admitted he went downstairs after being put to bed. The ‘intruder’ would have to have done a lot in a very short space of time and all without being heard or seen by BR and any others awake.

Books aren’t evidence.

Ive read the autopsy. Which part of it points to the Ramseys? And forensics - yes, I’d agree that this is evidence. Evidence of an intruder.

Burke doesn’t say how long he was up and awake after the family that night.

Doh! 😆 I know books aren’t evidence but that book contains excerpts from official sources as do others. They also lay out the chronology of events and name people relevant to the case, allowing further research.

The autopsy is a medical report so isn’t going to point fingers. It mentions the hymen and chronic vaginitis as well as abrasions. Obviously some damage was caused by the paintbrush but that brush didn’t cause the chronic vaginitis.

You think the forensics is evidence of an intruder?? Fibres from PR’s clothing was found on the duct tape on JB - just as one example. The alleged intruder, meanwhile, managed to spend a fair bit of time in the house, moving around, as well as apparently writing a lengthy ransom note and carefully returning the pen to its rightful place - all without leaving any proper DNA. The bits of ‘foreign’ DNA are absolutely minuscule and could just be from innocent contamination.

No, BR doesn’t say how long he was awake, but it looks like it was long enough to go to the kitchen, get a snack and make himself some tea, then, as he stated, spend time building/playing with his presents. His parents said they went to bed at 10pm so let’s say he left it 20 or 30 mins until all went quiet before going downstairs. With his snack and playing, he could have been up an hour or so, ie until at least 11.30pm. The estimated time of death for JB is around 1am. The head injury happened to her first, followed by a gap of 45 to 2hrs before the strangling and death. I believe a neighbour heard a scream around midnight. So any intruder would have had to start his actions during, or close to, the time it’s likely BR was up.

Where did Burke say he made himself tea and had a snack? I could just as easily say that they were in bed for 10pm and Burke got up and play for ten minutes and was back in bed for 10:20. Or 10:30. Or 11. We just don’t know, it’s all guess work and theory.

Fibres consistent with the jumper PR was wearing were found on the duck tape. But the duck tape was placed on the blanket that had been JB’s favourite and which had been on her bed.

I personally can’t see how innocent DNA of an unrelated man got on JB’s underwear or under her fingernails. And the footprint. Whose was it?

The scene may have been staged, so a false footprint made with a shoe.

BR’s fingerprints were on the glass of tea which was by the pineapple and milk, BR’s favourite snack.

But that just makes it worse about the duct tape then, doesn’t it? Who removed it and thus potentially contaminated it? Could it have been the same person who contaminated the crime scene by moving the body? And what was the blanket doing there?

The footprint was said to belong to BR, as he had a pair of boots of that brand.

You’re in the US?

John Ramsey ripped the duct tape from JB’s mouth when he found her.

Burke wasn’t said to have shoes that brand. There was another unidentified footprint too -

From the Lou Smit deposition, Carnes ruling:
A....The footprints that are in the basementare a very big clue. There are unidentified footprints in the basement in the mold on the floor.
The photograph that I am showing here is an impression in the mold on the floor. If you read it, it says "Hi-Tec." There is a logo on the bottom of that shoe. It is a Hi-Tec shoe. This was left there. This is a very clear and distinct logo that is left in that mold.

This is another footprint that was located right near where the body was lying, right almost at the part where the body was lying. In fact, if you look very closely at the photograph, you are going to see a disturbance in the mold from a fabric and also a fabric pattern, possibly the elastic waistband of the pants worn bt JonBenet.

Right in that same area is a very distinct footprint. I believe this is a footprint of the killer. This is a very crisp, clear print. I have found from experiments with the mold that, if the mold is allowed to grow, and this mold does grow, that a footprint that is there for any length of time becomes fuzzy and very blurred and finally disappears. This footprint is very, very recent.

This is a close-up of that print just to show all of the little ridges and all of the little lines that are so distinctive on this particular print. It also shows a partial logo. Myself and others have tried to find the source of that logo and have been unable to do it so far.

This is, I believe, our killer's footprint for sure.

That is the leaf. And you will notice it is on top of the print.

We have no idea what time it was when Burke put his hands on the glass. Could’ve been before bed. Could’ve been that morning. We don’t know.

The autopsy is a medical report so isn’t going to point fingers. It mentions the hymen and chronic vaginitis as well as abrasions. Obviously some damage was caused by the paintbrush but that brush didn’t cause the chronic vaginitis.

And yet the coroner who performed the autopsy, his colleague he brought in that evening for a second opinion, who was an expert in child abuse, and a fellow forensic coroner who was shown the autopsy photos at a later date were all of the opinion that the "chronic inflammation" notedin the autopsy could have several causes other than SA, including improper wiping after using the toilet.

Here is Paula Woodward's corrections of Mark Beckner's AMA statements of fact (short version, he or his officers get a lot of things wrong):

Beckner Reddit Comments PDF — Paula Woodward: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenét Ramsey Twenty Years Later

Wooward is pro-Ramsey, but she has also been able to draw from the Jon-Benet Ramsey Murder Book Index (3,000 pages long) that was organised and prepared by the Boulder District Attorney's Office. The index is a summary of the Boulder PD case reports from the JB murder case files. Someone also leaked her a 1,000-page confidential file, a 182-page master witness list. On and on. She has been able to draw from a lot of information not available elsewhere, ie.

If anyone is interested, she has a lot of stuff gathered handily in one place here:

Documents — Paula Woodward: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenét Ramsey Twenty Years Later

You have to ask though why wasn’t evidence from that scene (as in DNA, hair and fibres) compared to JonBenet’s case. The assailant a few months later was interrupted in the act and fled, and it was a rape in the child’s bedroom, so he must have left something.

I find it very hard to believe that after all this time with all the interviews/documentaries, press attention and the Ramsey’s purported friends in high places that the police had no pressure on them to solve JonBenet’s murder which made them look completely incompetent and got away with ignoring that these cases were connected. Unless they know they weren’t?

Why didn’t the Ramsey’s sue?

She's a known crackpot.

Case closed! God forbid anyone interested in this case would look at any evidence not previously known to them.

We’re not allowed to look at books apparently, even if they contain details of police and other documents 🙄

The Hi Tec boot was BR’s. If both children went straight to bed when they got back and had been out all day, BR clearly didn’t make that pineapple snack earlier in the evening. He’s already admitted getting up after everyone was asleep so it’s more than likely he made the snack then.

And what about the ransom note?