Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

There's cast criticism of how this latest Netflix programme used deceptive editing. The JonbenetRamsay subreddit is an interesting read.

I was going to watch this film but not sure if i will if it's just a propaganda piece in support of the family.

That's what I'm seeing.

It's just a platform for John.

Absolutely the ransom note is the factual smoking gun in this case. Case closed.

Don’t be ridiculous. The note proves nothing.

It absolutely is. I want to see John's response to things like 'how did you see Jon Benet's body ? Your former friend Fleet White says you saw the body in the dark before you flicked the light switch'. 'When did Jon Benet get back out of bed and eat the pineapple?

If you say so @westisbest1982

Get a copy of it and time yourself writing it. Oh and remember to build in time for a few practice runs and put the pen back where you found out when you're finished. This is no untidy kidnapper/not kidnapper 🤣

The paper and pen were taken from the home.
There were multiple drafts.
It was pages and pages long.

Who breaks into someone’s house, to kidnap a child, and writes an essay ransom note while everyone is in the house?

It’s not about my opinion. I’m factually correct.

Well in that case. No evidence ever proves anything.

I won't be wasting my time with this one, It's got John Ramsey behind it, so it's bound to be bias.

For me, CBS' The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey is a far more enlightening watch.

The undigested pineapple doesn’t add up to the given timeline , Patsy would have been up by the time the killer was in the house.

And What are the chances of someone crawling into a basement without disturbing the cobwebs on the broken window, climb the stairs , know exactly which room the girl is in, get her down to the basement with no noise, wack her on the head , strangle and tie her up then cover her with blanket ,go upstairs write a note and leave?

Might be a bit random, but I've read this comes up in the Netflix show (not sure if I'll stomach to watch it): I've always found it very odd how, even after her horrible death, Patsy kept lying about bleaching Jonbenet's hair. First it was 'no, it naturally lightened', then it was 'highlighted to even it out...' and it's been reported that at least Jonbenet had spoken of knowing no one was meant to talk about it, that the bleach and dye were in the house and so on.

It gives the 'if you're willing to lie about that, what else are you lying about' and 'what else have you taught your kids to lie about' feeling.

At the time, this was oddly not uncommon in parts of the US. It happened to me, I'm less than ten years older than she was and it was an odd things in the 90s that thankfully seems to have mostly died out. I remember when the lying and dyeing became public enough knowledge for me to know that it made my blood run cold as all the mothers I knew who did that were... not kind to their daughters is the best way I can put it. Definitely the kind to take any horrible situation around their daughters and make it about them.

I have no strong opinions on the perpetrator, in all these years I've seen the evidence tilted every which way, but I've always felt a bit that the parents have known far more about it, whether it was someone in the house or someone the family knew outside of it. At the very least, I think they were more focused on what they could gain from her death even just in sympathy than justice for the little one.

Exactly!

Also why would an "intruder" go through the effort of writing an elaborate essay of a ransom note, but then kill the child and leave her in the house with the ransom note for the parents to find?! How was the "intruder" expecting to get paid for the child if he left her dead body in the house? The "intruder" also never called to give instructions as to how to deposit the money and no one in the family thought it strange or even noticed! So after spending time and effort sitting in the house writing out War and Peace (having just killed a child and leaving her body in the house) the "intruder" never even attempts to get the ransom.

Also the "intruder" knew the exact figure to the $ of the father's bonus. Hmmm... 🤔

I don’t think a nine year old would strangle another child, strangle her to death, and sexually assault her. I also think it’s extremely unlikely that if he did kill her, he wouldn’t have confessed or crumble over a period of nearly three decades. But is that evidence?

Exactly, Xela.

And the phrase "don't try to grow a brain" was known to be a family joke.

They were rich and had political connections. Anyone else would have been arrested that day.

This is compelling, written by the former friends of the Ramsays who were present when the body was found.

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Does anyone here believe the note is genuine?

If we all agree it's fake then, of course the parents are responsible.

John Edward Douglas, the legendary FBI profiler, has analysed the case and concluded neither John, Patsy, or Burke killed JonBenet.

It is a horrible but fascinating case, as you can make the known evidence fit almost any narrative.

Seeing Steve Thomas be questioned and realising what a lousy case he had built and how inexperienced he was in this area, I am actually more and more inclined to agree that an intruder did do it, after all.

This is how I feel about this case. If the note is fake then it can only be the family who killed her, so either the brother (most likely) or either of the parents (dad probably more likely than mum). But the parents covered up her murder by writing that ransom note and the only reason they would do that is if one of them killed her.

So you believe an intruder wrote the ransom note? It all boils down to whether anyone can possibly believe that note was genuinely written by an intruder rather than the parents. If the note was fake (which it 100% is!!!) then it could only have been the family.

It's a quote from Speed. It's not so much a singular family joke, as a well known movie line at the time.

The note reads entirely as though it was written by a young man. The movie quotes, "foreign faction" etc all sound very much like an immature man's attempt at what they think a criminal group might sound like.

The crime itself also would be far more likely to be a young man. It's the kind of crime that would normally "ramp up" from acts like peeping, flashing etc. It's very unlikely to be the go-to for a family cover up, especially when it would have been far easier to explain a head injury on the spiral staircase or any other number of likely childhood mishaps.

Absolutely it would have taken time to write, and was written in the house. Given no handwriting expert could prove it was written by the family, the house had an open door policy at times and at least one door had been left unlocked its far more likely someone had entered the house and was waiting there whilst they were out.

The trace dna was found on her underwear, tights and under her nails. Too small a sample to be definitive, and yet in too many places to make sense as coming from anyone other than family (ruled out) or the perpetrator.

I think it was a family friend, neighbour or even colleague. Someone who knew the house, knew the family and potentially did plan a kidnapping. But like in the Lindbergh case, their plan went awry. It's just a shame it'll never be proven either way, and that little girl won't get justice.

Wow!

Patsy wrote it.

Why not? The intruder theory suggests that he let himself into the house when the Ramseys went out to their friends' place for a Christmas party, and was alone in there until they got back, so had four or so hours to wander about, read papers on John's desk, and get aquainted with the layout. The figure of John's bonus was on papers on his desk, it was said in this documentary, but in any case it was also known outside of that.

If the plan was to kidnap her, there was plenty of time to write that note, either with a plan to get the ransom money at some point, given presumably at the time of writing they were planning to take her with them, or just with an idea of stalling them and the police from getting on his tail.

I have never considered the intruder theory being plausible before, but there is a case to be made for it. I'm not saying I'm the one to make it, though!