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Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Itsonlybridgetagain · 25/11/2024 13:38

Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

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TaylorSwish · 25/11/2024 21:19

TPJB · 25/11/2024 19:12

He is autistic. Doesn't mean he was a killer

I don’t think autism was well known or understood in the 90s.

chargethecat · 25/11/2024 21:20

Are you talking about an old NF series or is there a new one!?

TaylorSwish · 25/11/2024 21:24

MilitantFawcett · 25/11/2024 19:31

Yes just finished this. I went into this convinced the parents were involved but this has changed my mind. Absolutely shocking how the police lied and withheld evidence, and the media were complicit. My take away is that one can’t be sure how much of what is reported in the papers, even from supposedly reliable sources can be trusted.

I thought the exact same.
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At the end of episode three was in tears, the poor dad had a hard life, losing two children and his wife. I am glad he met his third wife and seemed to be happy. She was a nice lady and supportive of him. They were treated so badly by the media and the public. I would go so far as to say some people involved should be prosecuted.

ilikeeggs · 25/11/2024 21:27

I don’t think it was the parents or brother but probably somebody who knew the family and knew the layout of the house.
The Ransom note is so odd though that it was written in the home and would have taken some time to write when surely the perpetrator would have wanted to get in and out the house as quick as possible.

i do think the best chance of solving the case is using the genealogy method with the DNA found.

Overtheatlantic · 25/11/2024 21:31

Pootle40 · 25/11/2024 21:08

If there had been an accident / fit of rage. Medical examiners who have reviewed said she was essential dead/dying from the blow to the head. If you phone for help you are likely going to prison with no access to your other child ....your life is over. So perhaps you decide to try and cover it up and retain whatever is left of your family.

This is a classic Occam's razor case for me.

Occam’s Razor doesn’t apply to theories and suppositions. It’s to be used to distinguish between “all things being equal” Not “on the balance of probabilities”.

TaylorSwish · 25/11/2024 21:31

The guy who confessed and spoke to the mum on her deathbed was vile. What he did was unforgivable. I feel like he would have enjoyed all the attention and the photo the police sent him.

Lavenderhazeee · 25/11/2024 21:34

I believe it was one of the Ramsey's. I think Patsy wrote the note, the fact it was written with a pen from the Ramsey's house on paper from Patsy's note pad (which also contained the practice note) in handwriting that bears a striking similarity to Patsy's is pretty damning. The language used in the note is very strange to say the least. What on earth is a small foreign faction? Why would you refer to yourselves as small if you want to appear threatening. Other things such as the use of "and hence" which is quite unusual. They found the use of this phrase on a Christmas card patsy had written a some years before. The length of the note is absurd as is the demand for $118,000. The exact sum of John's bonus. Sounds like an attempt to make it appear like it was an inside job. There are police tapes of Patsy where she supposedly doesn't recognise her own hand writing samples when presented to her. Oh and she also made clear attempts to change her handwriting style after the murder. As to the motive or who actually commited the murder, I believe this will be taken to the grave by the perpetrator.

Pootle40 · 25/11/2024 21:36

@Neodymium 100% agree.

The dna 'expert' left out the underwear was new and could be from the manufacturer it was such a small sample.

Also the 'intruder' floated in via the already broken window without walking in the snow or harming a cob web when they squeezed in through the small space.

Sorry I know I am posting a lot but but it's like the easiest game of Cluedo

downwindofyou · 25/11/2024 21:37

Lavenderhazeee · 25/11/2024 21:34

I believe it was one of the Ramsey's. I think Patsy wrote the note, the fact it was written with a pen from the Ramsey's house on paper from Patsy's note pad (which also contained the practice note) in handwriting that bears a striking similarity to Patsy's is pretty damning. The language used in the note is very strange to say the least. What on earth is a small foreign faction? Why would you refer to yourselves as small if you want to appear threatening. Other things such as the use of "and hence" which is quite unusual. They found the use of this phrase on a Christmas card patsy had written a some years before. The length of the note is absurd as is the demand for $118,000. The exact sum of John's bonus. Sounds like an attempt to make it appear like it was an inside job. There are police tapes of Patsy where she supposedly doesn't recognise her own hand writing samples when presented to her. Oh and she also made clear attempts to change her handwriting style after the murder. As to the motive or who actually commited the murder, I believe this will be taken to the grave by the perpetrator.

Half a dozen handwriting experts couldn't confirm it was her writing

Pootle40 · 25/11/2024 21:38

@downwindofyou many more couldn't rule her out!

user12343333333334 · 25/11/2024 21:54

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DaliaDay · 25/11/2024 22:03

Overtheatlantic · 25/11/2024 21:31

Occam’s Razor doesn’t apply to theories and suppositions. It’s to be used to distinguish between “all things being equal” Not “on the balance of probabilities”.

Quite. Occam's Razor is rather ill suited for explaining human behaviour.

Pootle40 · 25/11/2024 22:09

It does apply. Simplest explanation.

Fonzies · 25/11/2024 22:10

The redhanded podcast episode is good. I think the brother did it and the mother (maybe father too) tried to cover it up.

Noseybookworm · 25/11/2024 22:18

Read John Douglas' analysis of the case in his book 'The Cases That Haunt Us' he's an experienced FBI behavioural profiler and knows what he's talking about. Also Lou Schmit, an experienced homicide detective. Both thought she was killed by an intruder and the family had nothing to do with it.

Choccyp1g · 25/11/2024 22:20

My theory is that the mother THOUGHT the son did it, and tried to cover it up, but actually it was someone else.

Choccyp1g · 25/11/2024 22:21

Fonzies · 25/11/2024 22:10

The redhanded podcast episode is good. I think the brother did it and the mother (maybe father too) tried to cover it up.

Great minds think alike!

Overtheatlantic · 25/11/2024 22:25

Pootle40 · 25/11/2024 22:09

It does apply. Simplest explanation.

No, that’s not the definition and although it was mentioned that way in the movie “Contact” it’s incorrect. The “simplest” explanation is a mathematical formula that has been rigorously tested alongside another formula, and found to be the “simplest” (and it’s not simple unless you’re a mathematician!)

squishee · 25/11/2024 22:30

Hohofortherobbers · 25/11/2024 19:20

I've heard a few podcasts on this case and always come back to it being the family. I recall something about watermelon being eaten just before she died, why would a kidnapper stop to feed her watermelon ?

It was pineapple. Burke's favourite fruit - so he said in an interview soon after. It had been partially digested by the time JBR died.

westisbest1982 · 25/11/2024 22:39

The coroner couldn’t be clear about whether JonBenét ate pineapple or not on the day she died.

Scentedjasmin · 25/11/2024 22:42

Judging by the behaviour of the parents, particularly the mother, I really feel that the family (most likely the mother) was responsible. She just showed so little emotion. She had been through powerful chemotherapy drugs. She appeared slightly drugged up in later videos. Also, in order for such a young child to perform like that in pageants, it would require a lot of training and discipline (usually imposed from the parent). Most 5/6 year olds don't move or respond with such precision. It's as though she was a puppet and I truly wonder how much she actually enjoyed it. It all seemed imposed upon her. That raises a few red flags for me. Also, the mother referred to her at one point in episode 1 as 'the child'. 'why don't the police just go out and try to find the killer of the child?' or something similar. That struck me as very impersonal. I can't ever imagine referring to my own children in such a way.

The ransom letter was very peculiar. Definitely not a proper letter. It's not something that a paedophile would do....just abuse and murder a young girl, tie her up afterwards (why bother?) and then go and write a ransom letter. It looked blatantly made up. The handwriting looked a bit like a child's but the use of language was that of an adult and it was mostly spelt correctly, aside from one word. Also, how would a local paedo know John's name in the letter? That to me was a blatant attempt to deflect attention away from the family as though they had been specifically targeted.

The house was an absolute ramshackle of a place. Most people would get lost during the day time in there, let alone in the dark. Carrying a child down a spiral staircase whilst not making any noise or slipping would also be fairly difficult.

If she had been killed by blunt force trauma, so why also strangle her? Or why strangle her and then also hit her over the head? I think that she was hit over the head, then they staged the rest.

I also found the smashed window and suitcase part very odd as he said that he had smashed it himself months earlier when locked out and had come in that way, but "thought that it had been fixed". You would think that you would be more certain about that.

The house also looked very dingy. The basement was a tip and the train room was pretty bad. It just had a few signs to me dysfunction within the house. It wasn't a nice place for children to want to play.

I think that the Dad may have lied to keep his wife from going to jail and to protect his son from the stigma. He'd lost his other daughter a few years before so may be more protective of his family. It's possible that the son may have done it and that the parents were covering up for him. But you would still expect to see the parents more visibly upset. They just seemed rather cold and composed all the time.

I really do think that it's the family colluding here.

Pootle40 · 25/11/2024 22:50

Scentedjasmin · 25/11/2024 22:42

Judging by the behaviour of the parents, particularly the mother, I really feel that the family (most likely the mother) was responsible. She just showed so little emotion. She had been through powerful chemotherapy drugs. She appeared slightly drugged up in later videos. Also, in order for such a young child to perform like that in pageants, it would require a lot of training and discipline (usually imposed from the parent). Most 5/6 year olds don't move or respond with such precision. It's as though she was a puppet and I truly wonder how much she actually enjoyed it. It all seemed imposed upon her. That raises a few red flags for me. Also, the mother referred to her at one point in episode 1 as 'the child'. 'why don't the police just go out and try to find the killer of the child?' or something similar. That struck me as very impersonal. I can't ever imagine referring to my own children in such a way.

The ransom letter was very peculiar. Definitely not a proper letter. It's not something that a paedophile would do....just abuse and murder a young girl, tie her up afterwards (why bother?) and then go and write a ransom letter. It looked blatantly made up. The handwriting looked a bit like a child's but the use of language was that of an adult and it was mostly spelt correctly, aside from one word. Also, how would a local paedo know John's name in the letter? That to me was a blatant attempt to deflect attention away from the family as though they had been specifically targeted.

The house was an absolute ramshackle of a place. Most people would get lost during the day time in there, let alone in the dark. Carrying a child down a spiral staircase whilst not making any noise or slipping would also be fairly difficult.

If she had been killed by blunt force trauma, so why also strangle her? Or why strangle her and then also hit her over the head? I think that she was hit over the head, then they staged the rest.

I also found the smashed window and suitcase part very odd as he said that he had smashed it himself months earlier when locked out and had come in that way, but "thought that it had been fixed". You would think that you would be more certain about that.

The house also looked very dingy. The basement was a tip and the train room was pretty bad. It just had a few signs to me dysfunction within the house. It wasn't a nice place for children to want to play.

I think that the Dad may have lied to keep his wife from going to jail and to protect his son from the stigma. He'd lost his other daughter a few years before so may be more protective of his family. It's possible that the son may have done it and that the parents were covering up for him. But you would still expect to see the parents more visibly upset. They just seemed rather cold and composed all the time.

I really do think that it's the family colluding here.

I completely agree. Patsy also said in one of those tv interviews something like 'we're not angry we just want to know what happened' it's there for everyone to watch. Which loving mum would utter that when your 6 year old daughter had been bashed on the head and then finished off with a garotte in her own home. You wouldn't be angry?

Also, why would a criminal go to the lengths of making a garotte using stuff in the basement. Why so elaborate a method taking an even greater chance of being caught?

The intruder theory is so easily debunked it's laughable.

Watched 2 episodes and it really is missing a lot of information.

gettingbetter33 · 25/11/2024 22:50

I've just listened to a podcasts about this weirdly enough and didn't realise there was a Netflix documentary about it.

I think there's something strange about the family friend Fleet White. The friendship between him and John Ramsey broke down after her funeral. Apparently he was acting strange.

Sad I don't think it'll be solved. Police messed it up from the beginning.

Scentedjasmin · 25/11/2024 22:55

petermaddog · 25/11/2024 21:17

leave this poor child alone its been 30 years

What, you don't think that she deserves justice and the crime investigating/re airing in public?

BettyBardMacDonald · 25/11/2024 23:29

The ransom note night as well be signed by Patsy.

Intruders don't sit around writing three-page notes on paper the scrounged up in the kitchen.

Burke accidentally caused it and the parents tried to cover for him. John calling the pilots to ready the plane was another dead giveaway. Who races across country away from their toddler daughter's dead body, if they aren't guilty?

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