Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

Some did say it was Patsy's, others just couldn't rule her out. Not one said it wasn't her. They could say that it definitely wasn't John ramsey and others though. I dont think you can look at the comparisons I posted to the thread earlier and say it wasnt Patsy. The similarities are striking.

This documentary is full of lies and misdirection. For example, why dedicate so much time on a suspect who has been proven to not have been involved? Someone said earlier in the thread that the ramseys fully cooperated with the police until they because suspects, and the documentary also alludes to that. This also isn't true. I can't remember exactly but they either wanted to leave on their plane as planned and were told they couldn't or they did leave. Either way they left that house and spent months at various friends homes evading the police all while making TV appearances. They didn't do a police interview until 4 months after the murder. The fact is the Ramseys have never been ruled out as suspects and are still under investigation despite the fact that John ramsey claims otherwise.

Did someone say definitively that the writing was Patsy’s? Who?

They absolutely have been ruled out as suspects and they had their first police interview the week JB was murdered.

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This is BS.

They absolutely have been ruled out as suspects and they had their first police interview the week JB was murdered.

Their first police interview was 30th April 1997.

It was a previous DA Lancy who wrote them an apology letter. Widely accepted by all experts as an error.

You are making stuff up for reasons I can't fathom except to wind people up. You are better off on TikTok

If people are going to dispute statements on here could they please quote a source as it's getting confusing and would be good to continue this as a discussion, rather than a load of made up deflection.

It’s not BS. The Ramseys were ruled out as suspects by the Boulder District Attorney’s office in 2008. They received a letter of apology.

The Ramseys were at the police station giving hair and blood samples in December 28th. They had given the police the details they knew before JB was found.

I haven made anything up. I continue to wait for someone to produce any evidence pointing at any of the Ramseys committing the murder.

But you can conclude she wasn't strangled with force as often you would see (ie hyoid fracture) in many strangulations.

Most strangulations are of adults. Most do not involve ligatures, and even less involve constructed garottes. I am not an expert on strangulation murders, but it does seem relevant that JB was a six year old child. Only turned six a few months before her murder.

Also, although (adult) strangulations do often break the hyoid bone, the bone and cartilage of the throat is more elastic in a child, especially a small child.

Due to its position, the hyoid bone is not easily susceptible to fracture. In a suspected case of murder or physical abuse of an adult, a fractured hyoid strongly indicates throttling or strangulation. In children and adolescents (in whom the hyoid bone is still flexible because ossification is yet to be completed) fracture may not occur even after serious trauma. (wiki)

There's plenty of circumstantial evidence that's been posted here.

And if you think a case needs black and white evidence they 'committed the murder' you might want to look into the Chris Dawson case in Australia. No body, no weapon, no witnesses. A mountain of circumstantial evidence that means the only logical conclusion is that he killed her. And he was found guilty.

No, there isn’t. Only people repeating that the parents might have lied/they have a feeling about them/they believe they acted odd/they fell out with their friends/that they can’t be definitively ruled out.

None of this is circumstantial evidence that any of them committed murder.

Of course I believe in circumstantial evidence. But there isn’t any.

But the mountain of evidence in the case of the murder of JB Ramsey (in which there was a body) can be read in so many different ways.

As Lawrence Schiller says on p645 of his 676 page book, Perfect Murder, Perfect Town:

"Soon enough I encountered all the other theories of the crime: Santa did it. John was molesting his daughter and Patsy caught them in the act. Patsy went crazy over her daughter's bed-wetting. The theories went on. Yet the more I learned about the murder from those investigating the case, the more clearly I saw, as did some of the detectives, that no one theory included all the evidence.

In fact, the more I was told by law enforcement about what they knew, the less confident I became about ever finding an answer for myself."

That’s well said. Everyone has a theory - but theories are all they are.

I started watching this but I find it all a bit frenetic, same with the podcasts I've listened to. Maybe because they're American? They seem to jump from interview to interview. I still can't understand what the timeline was. So the family had all returned late home and were sleeping when it happened? And they discovered the note the next morning?

It's an absolute bizarre case. The only explanation that works for me is that it was the crime of an absolute sick maniac who was likely insane (the hanging around to write a long rambling note of utter garbage) but I don't understand how someone that out of it went undetected. But like most cases where there is a great 'mystery' or question over innocence it all starts with utter incompetence from the police.

still can't understand what the timeline was.

I'm not sure the Netflix doc wants you to. And that's the problem for me. Just give the viewer all the information.

I doubt this mystery would happen today because we have so many cameras everywhere. Just looking at camera footage from across the street would show lights on in the house etc.

Police incompetence still exists unfortunately. Look at the disappearance of Andrew Gosden - how can you disappear from Kings Cross station - a place with countless CCTV cameras everywhere? But police were too late to request the relevant CCTV and it got overwritten. Having had recent dealings with the police on two occasions: (1) when my house was burgled and (2) when my dad's car was stolen I am unfortunately not at all convinced police are more competent (or proactive) today than they were in the 90's.

I still can't understand what the timeline was. So the family had all returned late home and were sleeping when it happened? And they discovered the note the next morning?

My understanding is that she was (according to the family) last seen alive at 10pm on 25 December when she was put to bed. Patsy then woke up at 5:45am on 26 December and discovered the alleged ransom note. At 1pm that day John and a friend find her body in the basement.

Her tombstone reads she died on 25 December. I wonder how the family knew she died in the evening of 25 December (after 10pm when she was last seen alive allegedly) rather than on 26 December when her body was found...

Thankyou. So basically it happened overnight whilst the family were asleep. I just can't understand that ransom note though. Presumably the motive was to carry out a sick pedophilic fantasy but the note really doesn't follow with that MO does it ? What's the point of it ? Surely the culprit would assume the whole house would be searched and she was right there so it's not like it bought them any time to carry out their abhorrent crimes.

Where are people getting references that she had been a victim of SA prior to death ?

That's what makes people think it could only have been the family. The ransom note makes absolutely zero sense. It was also written with Patsy's stationery which was then neatly stored away and drafts of the note were found in the trash. So the alleged attacker would have had to spend ages at the house searching for writing materials, writing several drafts of the ridiculously long note, then putting everything neatly back in its place - only to kill the child and leave her body in the house. That makes no sense.

The news regularly reports stories of babies and children being killed by parents or step parents and the mums doing nothing. Arthur, baby Star plus so many more. Baby P’s mum covered up months of abuse until he died, covering his bruises in chocolate etc. I don’t want to search for links as it breaks my heart reading them.

Usually these cases have a vast history of abuse and are known to authorities, where multiple red flags have been ignored. The Ramseys have none of this.

Familial sexual abuse is often totally hidden thought. We are also far far better at safeguarding and understanding the warning signs of it in schools and other professional interactions that we were in the 90s.

Do you not think their wealth might have helped them in this regard?
They’ve been mentioned previously but what the Menendez parents subjected their boys to was completely ignored because of their wealth and status.

The autopsy found abrasions and damage to her hymen that had been inflicted prior to the night of her murder. This was verified by another doctor during the autopsy and also later by a panel of four doctors who specialized in child abuse