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Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Itsonlybridgetagain · 25/11/2024 13:38

Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

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O6bftdff · 05/12/2024 14:25

Firealarm1414 · 05/12/2024 14:22

The autopsy found abrasions and damage to her hymen that had been inflicted prior to the night of her murder. This was verified by another doctor during the autopsy and also later by a panel of four doctors who specialized in child abuse

This isn’t true.

Doubleraspberry · 05/12/2024 14:27

TENSsion · 05/12/2024 13:21

Do you not think their wealth might have helped them in this regard?
They’ve been mentioned previously but what the Menendez parents subjected their boys to was completely ignored because of their wealth and status.

Safeguarding training now makes it very clear that coming from a ‘respectable’ home in no way guarantees a child’s safety.

TENSsion · 05/12/2024 14:37

@Lowcarbonated

This timeline might help

www.biography.com/crime/jonbenet-ramsey-murder-investigation-timeline

Lowcarbonated · 05/12/2024 14:38

I've just listened to the generation why episode on this. I have to say they make an extremely good argument that it was someone in the house. However it's hard to know what's actually true and what's hearsay. The netflix doc seems incredibly biased but thats not surprising given John's involvement. It's weird that the doc says that the police were hell bent on blaming the family so didn't look elsewhere. Gen why say that the police were actively stopped from properly questioning and investigating the family 😕.

Lowcarbonated · 05/12/2024 14:41

I'm now basically convinced that Patsy wrote the letter though.

CandyMaker · 05/12/2024 14:50

Okay I have copy and pasted what happened when.

"December 23, 1993: A 911 call is placed from the Ramsey residence.
Just three days prior to the discovery of the body, a call was made from their home. However, on January 10, reports from CNN suggest that this call may have been a mistake made by a drunken guest at a party.

December 25, 1996: The Ramseys celebrate Christmas at a family friend's gathering.
After enjoying the festivities at Fleet White's home, the Ramseys return, and JonBenét heads off to bed. Some speculate that she may have sneaked back downstairs and had a disagreement with her brother over a late-night snack of pineapple, which was found undigested in her stomach.

December 26, 1996: JonBenét is reported missing.
At 5:30 a.m., while preparing coffee, Patsy discovers a two-and-a-half-page handwritten ransom note on the back stairs leading to the kitchen, claiming her daughter has been kidnapped, as reported by the Denver Post. The note demands that $118,000 be withdrawn from their account, specifying that $100,000 should be in $100 bills and the remaining $18,000 in $20 bills.
Interestingly, this amount matched John’s Christmas bonus. The note instructed them not to contact the police, but Patsy calls 911 anyway. By 6 a.m., Officer Rick French arrives and conducts a search, stopping by the door behind which JonBenét would later be found but not opening it, according to Newsweek. In the early afternoon, Detective Linda Arndt, the first investigator on the scene, advises John and Fleet White, who had come to support the family, to conduct a thorough search of the house. During this search, John opens the door to the basement's spare room—where Christmas gifts had been hidden—and discovers JonBenét’s body.

December 28, 1996: The Ramseys work with the authorities
The family visits the Boulder police station, where they willingly provide hair, blood, and handwriting samples. The police later confirm that John’s adult children, John Andrew and Melinda, were away when the murder took place, so they are not considered suspects.
December 29, 1996: The family travels to Atlanta
Just a few days after the tragedy, the Ramseys return to their former hometown of Atlanta. December 31, 1996: JonBenét’s funeral takes place The six-year-old is laid to rest in Marietta, Georgia, beside her older half-sister Elizabeth, who tragically passed away in a car accident in 1992. Approximately 200 family members and friends gather for a ceremony at the family’s former church.
January 1, 1997: John and Patsy participate in a New Year’s Day interview
JonBenét’s parents sit down for a challenging 45-minute interview with CNN in Atlanta, where they were staying with relatives. While Boulder police assured the public that there was no active threat, Patsy expressed her concerns on air, stating, “There is a killer on the loose… if I lived in Boulder, I would advise my friends to keep their children close, as there’s someone out there.”

January 2, 1997: Investigators track the family to Georgia
A group of five detectives from Boulder travels to Atlanta, as reported by CNN. The investigators were taken aback that the Ramseys agreed to the television interview, given their previous claims of being too distraught to speak with the police.

January 3, 1997: Detectives disclose that the ransom note was composed inside the home
Authorities reveal that the ransom note was written on a pad found within the house, suggesting it was likely penned after the murder. John and Patsy make their way back to Boulder. Boulder police also head to Charlevoix, Michigan, to search the Ramsey family's summer residence.

And so on
https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2024/11/jonbenet-ramsey-timeline-a-chronological-overview-of-the-young-pageant-stars-death-and-the-ongoing-investigation/

BreatheAndFocus · 05/12/2024 15:18

O6bftdff · 05/12/2024 14:25

This isn’t true.

Yes, it is *

*See how unhelpful it is to just turn this into a pantomime to-and-fro. If it’s not true, do explain why. What are you disagreeing with? Here’s a reasonable summary of what I’ve read:

https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/j00pe3/setting_the_record_straight_on_the_evidence_of/

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SplendidUtterly · 05/12/2024 15:19

None of us will ever truly know what happened that night.
But as everyone else is playing the guessing game i will join in and say that most likely it was Patsy who wrote that note as a cover up.
But to cover up what and to protect who I just don't know.

CandyMaker · 05/12/2024 15:34

It is clear the parents are involved. What exactly happened to that poor little girl and by whom will probably never be publicly known.

O6bftdff · 05/12/2024 18:11

BreatheAndFocus · 05/12/2024 15:18

Yes, it is *

*See how unhelpful it is to just turn this into a pantomime to-and-fro. If it’s not true, do explain why. What are you disagreeing with? Here’s a reasonable summary of what I’ve read:

https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/j00pe3/setting_the_record_straight_on_the_evidence_of/

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It’s not true because it’s false. There is no evidence that there was any sexual abuse prior to the night of JB’s death. They did not find damage to the hymen at the autopsy that anyone can say happened before that night.

If people want to post wildly misleading statements which they believe to be true, they should link to actual evidence. Not Reddit readers’ opinions or theories of podcasters. The actual evidence.

O6bftdff · 05/12/2024 18:14

TENSsion · 05/12/2024 13:21

Do you not think their wealth might have helped them in this regard?
They’ve been mentioned previously but what the Menendez parents subjected their boys to was completely ignored because of their wealth and status.

I think that during the past 30 years there would’ve been some other mention of any form of concern about their parenting.

TENSsion · 05/12/2024 18:23

O6bftdff · 05/12/2024 18:14

I think that during the past 30 years there would’ve been some other mention of any form of concern about their parenting.

Do you? Well, I don’t. Lots of people carry that to their graves.

BreatheAndFocus · 05/12/2024 18:29

O6bftdff · 05/12/2024 18:11

It’s not true because it’s false. There is no evidence that there was any sexual abuse prior to the night of JB’s death. They did not find damage to the hymen at the autopsy that anyone can say happened before that night.

If people want to post wildly misleading statements which they believe to be true, they should link to actual evidence. Not Reddit readers’ opinions or theories of podcasters. The actual evidence.

i linked to Reddit because it named the experts that the post you responded to referred to. You implied that post was all made up.

These experts were ready to testify if there was a court case - and we all know what happened with the case, don’t we? Funny that you insist others provide all these links yet you provide none.

Did the person doing JB’s autopsy not call in another expert to take a look at the alleged previous SA? Was there not a panel of experts in that area, as named in that Reddit post?

BreatheAndFocus · 05/12/2024 18:33

If people want to post wildly misleading statements which they believe to be true, they should link to actual evidence. Not Reddit readers’ opinions or theories of podcasters. The actual evidence.

Go on - link to the evidence then. Where’s the bit that said there was no evidence of previous SA? And what evidence do you mean exactly? I’m expecting precise links and named evidence-givers. TIA.

All you’ve done is say No any time someone suggests something that doesn’t please you.

O6bftdff · 05/12/2024 19:48

TENSsion · 05/12/2024 18:23

Do you? Well, I don’t. Lots of people carry that to their graves.

The victims, of course. But nothing from the schools, social services, friends, family, ex wives? No concerns at all?

TENSsion · 05/12/2024 21:28

O6bftdff · 05/12/2024 19:48

The victims, of course. But nothing from the schools, social services, friends, family, ex wives? No concerns at all?

I don’t think there much point in continuing to converse with you.

DwarfBeans · 05/12/2024 21:35

@O6bftdff that's not true. I'm not going to bother linking sources though.

DwarfBeans · 05/12/2024 21:37

What is a shill?

monkfruitmartini · 05/12/2024 23:55

Firealarm1414 · 05/12/2024 14:22

The autopsy found abrasions and damage to her hymen that had been inflicted prior to the night of her murder. This was verified by another doctor during the autopsy and also later by a panel of four doctors who specialized in child abuse

Honestly, it kind of stuns me that we are discussing a murdered six year old's vagina in order to score points... Anyway...

The autopsy found "chronic inflammation" in her vaginal wall. Dr John Meyer, who performed the autopsy thought it could have had several causes, other than SA, including improper wiping after using the toilet. JB was known to be a poor wiper and often had adults wipe her bottom after a poo... Dr Michael Dobson, another local coroner/medical examiner agreed.

JB's paediatrician, Dr Francesco Beuf, who saw JB regularly for childhood illnesses, and had also examined her vulva and vagina after she had chicken pox in her vaginal area, and who'd done two "well-child checks" which included examinations of her vaginal area, was adamant he saw no signs of SA. Beuf would have been required by Colorado law to report any signs of SA.

I would take their opinion over some other experts working of photographs.

CandyMaker · 05/12/2024 23:57

@monkfruitmartini what are well child checks that checks a young childs vagina?

monkfruitmartini · 06/12/2024 00:11

CandyMaker · 05/12/2024 23:57

@monkfruitmartini what are well child checks that checks a young childs vagina?

As I am not a paediatrician, working in Colorado in the mid-to-late 1990s, I cannot tell you, only that this is what Dr Beuf has said. I assume it means an annual all-over wellness check. He is adamant he saw no signs of SA:

"There was absolutely no evidence, either physical or historical."

CandyMaker · 06/12/2024 00:19

@monkfruitmartini Well child checks that I know of would not check a tiny child's vagina.

O6bftdff · 06/12/2024 00:24

DwarfBeans · 05/12/2024 21:35

@O6bftdff that's not true. I'm not going to bother linking sources though.

Or indeed linking what post isn’t true.

monkfruitmartini · 06/12/2024 02:21

CandyMaker · 06/12/2024 00:19

@monkfruitmartini Well child checks that I know of would not check a tiny child's vagina.

People can't have it both ways. They use the number of visits by JB to her paediatrician as proof she suffered SA. In fact, the vast bulk of the visits were for normal childhood illnesses. Her paediatrician reports he saw no signs of SA.
Are you now claiming Dr Beuf is a liar to prove a point?

monkfruitmartini · 06/12/2024 02:27

As an eminent American paediatrician, what do your well-child checks include?

On the website about them one of the advantages stated is:

  • Raising any concerns. Make a list of topics you want to talk about with your child's pediatrician such as development, behavior, sleep, eating or getting along with other family members. Bring your top three to five questions or concerns with you to talk with your pediatrician at the start of the visit.

As JB had issues with an inflamed genital region due to chickenpox, the doctor may have wanted to reassure Patsy all was now well. As JB had toileting and wiping issues, ditto. Patsy had said as a woman going through ovarian cancer, she may have been a more overly-concerned mother than most, and took JB in to see the paediatrician at the first sign of a sniffle, etc.

AAP Schedule of Well-Child Care Visits - HealthyChildren.org