Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

That doesn’t prove there was no sexual abuse.

You are being disingenous now.
You claimed the well child checks found no injury to her vagina. I queried whether routine well child checks would really examine a very young child's vagina. I did not even say there was sexual abuse. I do not know.
So stop totally making up things I did not say.

Jon Benet attended Drs appointments for routine children checks and childhood illnesses. He said he did not see anything suspicious during these consultations.
But these kind of appointments would not normally include inspection of a childs genitals. So I believe he saw no signs that anything was amiss. That is not the same as saying there were no signs.

From his experience as JB's paediatrician - basically he was her GP - he saw nothing amiss. That's all he can say.

I'm not sure why you are getting so aggro about this.

Because you’re implying that it is proof there was no sexual abuse. It’s not.

No, I am saying that there are differing views on the autopsy findings. Some experts (including those of the fellow doing the autopsy, and one of his colleagues) say that they saw no signs of SA; while others who were well-regarded experts, viewing photos, say they saw definitive signs. And her paediatrician, who examined her in person on a number of occasions (regardless of what the UK-based non-paediatricians imagine a well-child check might or might not include) saw no signs. That is what I am saying.

I really don't appreciate being called "disingenous" for trying to add some nuance to a discussion by providing facts at hand.

I was simply pointing out that you blatantly lied about what I said.
I agree he saw nothing amiss. Why would he when he simply treated her for routine childhood illnesses?

@monkfruitmartini are you claiming well child checks include an intimate examination of a young childs genitals?

I watched Netflix dic, wasn't aware of this case before. Has autopsy report provided the time of death ? I didn't catch this in the documentary,

Have a nice life. I've already answered your question.

No you haven't. But fine.

@lovenaturelovelife i believe time of death was estimated as 1am. The first officer (French) on the scene in his typed statement said the Ramseys informed him they were home 2200 hours. It has the words ‘Mr Ramsey said he read to both kids’. The issue you have here is that medically it is shown that she died 45 minutes - 2 hours after being hit so you start to have a very narrow window of opportunity (particularly for any intruder theory in order that everyone was asleep soundly in their beds undisturbed by this). By the time John Ramsey was formally interviewed by the police 4 months later he stated they got home at 830/845. Which would ‘help’ with the intruder theory.

The Boulder County Coroner, Dr John Meyer, didn't list a time of death in his autopsy report.

Former Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner told a reddit AMA time of death was 1.00 am.

Certainly with the rigor mortis as was when she was found it was estimated she had been dead 10-12 hours at that point so 130am-330am but most commentators have it pre 2am.

The parents gave an initial short statement after her murder. Then they avoided being interviewed until April, claiming they were too distraught, and travelling around. I think they needed time to try and get their story straight.

The man who did the autopsy asked another to look at the sexual trauma JB had inflicted on her. Nowhere is there anything to say he ‘called in’ someone to look at alleged previous sexual assault.

The experts who were ready to testify - where are their statements? I can’t seem to find them.

I replied to this to say it is not true - ‘The autopsy found abrasions and damage to her hymen that had been inflicted prior to the night of her murder. This was verified by another doctor during the autopsy and also later by a panel of four doctors who specialized in child abuse’.

Nowhere does the autopsy state they found damage inflicted prior to her murder. It wasn’t verified by another doctor during the autopsy. I can’t link to proof another doctor didn’t verify it - because it didn’t happen.

As somebody who barely knew the case and is relying on others providing links, you're awfully aggressive and obsessive in your posting, O6bftdff.

Great point. Much easier to make than to provide any evidence whatsoever that points at any of the Ramseys being involved in this crime. Just pointing out that there is no evidence, never mind that it makes no sense, makes people froth at the mouth. Just provide the evidence. Or accept that the theory they’re involved is based on nothing but speculation and years of false media stories.

It is obvious that the parents are involved. The theory that an intruder broken in late on Christmas Day, abducted Jon Benet and took her to the basement while her family were in bed. Raped and murdered her in the house. And then spent time searching for a pen and paper, wrote a very long ransom note asking for the exact same amount as Johns recent bonus, and then put the pen and paper back where they found them. And had handwriting remarkably similar to the mothers handwriting.
Does that really all sound plausible to you?

And after her murder the parents gave a brief statement to the police and avoided the police until being forced to give a much longer interview in April. An interview where some key points had changed from their brief initial statement e.g. what time they went to bed.

Did the person doing JB’s autopsy not call in another expert to take a look at the alleged previous SA?

Dr John Meyer, the coroner, called in Dr Andrew Sironak, who was assistant professor of paediatrics at Children's Hospital Colorado, early on the evening of the autopsy to give a second opinion on his vaginal findings and Sironak agreed there had been a recent genital injury, not that there was a history of SA.

Sironak also worked at the Kempe Centre, which was a child abuse prevention organisation in Denver. Other physicians at the Kempe Centre stated publicly, after studying the evidence, that JB had not been subjected to ongoing, long-term SA.

You can find an expert to disagree with another expert on pretty much every piece of evidence put forward for this case.

A perfect example, since I made no claims or referred to evidence in any way. You might benefit from some fresh air. Leave your phone at home.

It's truye you have "made no claims or referred to evidence in any way" - and that's because your only contribution to this thread is to tell another poster to stop posting. You might benefit from your own advice.

I follow my advice. I don't post aggressively and obsessively on topics I know nothing about. Others should definitely take that advice.

Posting "wHeRe'S uR eVidENCe" 50 times in a row is hardly adding to the thread. But maybe it makes her happy, who knows.

Completely agree. Those who have poured over every detail of this case believe it
to be so.

To paraphrase a judge in another circumstantial case said ‘None of the circumstances alone can establish the Ramsey’s guilt. But when regard is had to their combined force, I am left in no doubt’.

The crime/accident/cover
up occurred in the home by some
or all who lived in the house.

Entirely plausible. Especially since a few months later, two miles away, at the house of a girl who danced with JonBenet, an intruder broke into the house whilst the family were out, waited till they were all asleep to sexually assault the daughter, and get a belt out of her drawer, and then get scared off by her mother. Where would that have ended, I wonder? Thank god he was interrupted.