24 hours in police custody

[kerstina]

I don’t usually watch this program on channel four but put it on by accident and have just watched the second part on More four on demand .I just have some thoughts on it and if any one has watched it please discuss with me here especially if you have watched both. It is the one about the murder of Eliza.

Just googled and an article said heart disease. He was only 45, looked so much older, that’s really sad.

Is there a new series out?

You are right about the 'family member' OP.
I watched both episodes last night and it had moved on to other suspects.

How fortunate that the house the Killer lived in had so much CCTV.
I couldn't figure out if the younger (cocky) friend of the Killer knew anything at all.🤔
It seemed to have happened before his pal even arrived, with the timeline and changing of clothes. Is that right? If so, he was using his friend as his unknowing alibi that night.

How sad to see that, including the Victim, there were 5 deaths. Both Mark and his Sister had since died. So young.
Even Eliza's mother was only in her 60's.

Finally watched it all. The police seemed to be inept flitting from suspect to suspect and arresting those 2 and him dying in prison.

I sort of felt sorry for the guy that was charged. His accident appeared to change his life dramatically - he looked so grey and ill. I can't imagine what living with pain is like. I wonder if the police would have got him without such good CCTV. It seemed to all fall into place for them.

The list of those who had passed away at the end was horrible. Everyone looked so much older than there guessed ages.

That's your takeaway thought?

I thought how bloody desperate the mum sounded when told her daughter had died, she screamed and I thought they shouldn't have showed it. And how sad that she had died shortly after.

It was after watching episode one.

They could have suggested she get dressed to preserve her dignity and filming her reaction to her daughter's death seemed intrusive.

Hooked on Fentanyl - you should watch Dope Sick. It will explain everything.

I don't think the young guy knew anything. I feel like he either just called round or the killer asked him to as an alibi and then Jamie suggested they get coke to distract him from all the cleanup he needed to do. I wish they showed his reaction to the outcome but maybe he didn't want any more involvement in the programme.

It was a sad watch. I wondered about the family member too as they weren't mentioned again but fair enough if they were innocent, they obviously didn't want to feature.
I realised I'd make a crap cop though, I thought Jamie was convincing when he was saying how it wasn't him and he wasn't a violent man, I was shocked how much his demeanour changed as soon as they mentioned the cctv. I also wondered why there was so much CCTV? Was he in supported accommodation or similar?

It was a halfway house, managed accommodation. They mentioned he wasn't meant to have visitors late at night.

It was a really sad episode for lots of reasons. I think the relative was under 18 and that's why his face wasn't shown and he wasn't named. I thought it was sad that Coleman's children had a very low bar for what makes a good dad. He might have been nice enough but he was a drug addicted thief who I doubt ever provided for his children. I wondered what Eliza was doing with all the money she was making from the drug dealing, and why the police hadn't previously done something to stop her, because everyone in Wisbech seemed to know she was a drug dealer. Wisbech used to be a nice place.

It's tragic that so many people have died a needless, premature death. But the streets of Wisbech will be safer, without these people on it. I was also surprised that the police were unaware of Eliza's drug dealing. And that her carers also appeared unaware of it. It was very depressing.

Yes and you can’t help thinking why did she need to do it ? I am guessing she had been doing it a long time and just carried on. Surely with her disabilities she would have enough to live on PIP .universal credit etc.

@kerstina and she had what looked like a nice council bungalow on a decent estate.

I'm assuming her disabilities were as a result of drug use, it's unusual for someone of that age, to get such severe ulcers.

It was thoroughly depressing, so many people who had probably lived there their whole life, probably grown up without much hope and then turned to drugs. It shows how necessary early intervention schemes are, working with schools etc to try to get people out of that cycle.

Yes and these intervention schemes often went unnoticed when they were working but many years of Tory rule and we are seeing the signs of severe drug use and homeless on most street corners. Not just the main cities. I hope people give the Labour government a chance to try and reverse some of these social ills.

I found it quite disturbing how the killer talked about ‘unsavoury’ people he needed to protect his daughters from.
I didn't know if he was referring to Eliza there as a drug dealer he didn't want his kids near. However, he was meant to be one of her customers and a so-called friend. It would have been interesting to hear more about Eliza and how she ended up that way.
Frankly, it was a depressing watch full of pitiful people, druggies and thieves most of whom looked rough as hell and twice their actual age. I'm not sure Jack was exactly a paragon either but seems he wasn't involved in the murder.

And on a silly note....what happened to her to dogs that 'witnessed' the horror?!

The police seemed to be inept flitting from suspect to suspect and arresting those 2 and him dying in prison

I didn't feel that. I thought the programme illustrated how incredibly difficult it must be to police communities like this.

The sense of chaos, despair, unpredictability and desperation applied to everyone involved - the victim, her family, the witnesses, everyone...There was no reliable information from anyone until that final dna match so they had to investigate every possibility. The "word on the street" was pointing in one direction so they had to follow that direction but the evidence wasn't there. Because he wasn't guilty!
There wasn't anything to suggest the actual perpetrator was connected, until the knife was found.

I thought it showed how the police just had to keep going, trying to find and follow the evidence. Arresting possible suspects is part of that process. It's only when they've got evidence they can charge anyone.

If I remember correctly the man who died in prison was arrested for other offences so wasn't in prison because of the murder.

Thank god for the DNA evidence because it seemed impossible for the police to get any sense or reliable information out of any of the drug addled suspects or witnesses.

Wisbech looked like a total dump, utterly depressing. I was shocked at the ages of the people who’d died, every single one of them looked older than they were. Even one of the young people around the grave of their dad were missing most of his teeth.

What was interesting was that without the dna would they have charged Jamie as well as jack. The detective showed his experience when he said I think jack might not be guilty. Drugs are a dreadful waste of life.

Without the dna I don't think they would have charged either.
The outside cctv footage took Jack out of the running because it showed them going in the opposite direction. It was only Jaimie seen going towards Eliza's house. But even with the clothes and hand-wash etc. I dont think they would have got cps to sanction charges.

A very sad indictment of our country, and some very sad lives.

Who was supplying Eliza?

I got the impression that Mark had died by suicide

No, they said in the programme he had a heart problem. Hardly surprising his health wasn't great after years of drug abuse. In any case he was behind bars (on remand?) for another crime - burglary so all that is nothing to do with the murder. Yes, he was falsely suspected for a while but it wasn't unreasonable of the police to investigate that possibility.