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Jesy Nelson documentary.

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Anthilda · 12/09/2019 14:33

Has anyone watched this yet? It is really sad. I've just cried most of the way through. I actually dont think shes ugly. Unique looking yes, but not physically repulsive. And I think she has such beautiful big eyes and many other nice features like nice hair and good body shape. It is so sad to see the toll the bullying took on her mental health.

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BiBiBirdie · 16/09/2019 08:42

@Pinkyyy but they have changed. It's been ten years. They've grown up.
How have they always been naked? They've done one tasteful photo with (nasty like your) words to prove a point.
Go Google images of the girls during XFactor and now. They dressed completely differently back then.
Do you still dress how you did in your teens? I don't. I know very few people whose style doesn't grow up with them

Goatrider · 16/09/2019 09:16

Why is she a bad role model?

BringTheBounceBack · 16/09/2019 09:27

Would you suddenly be on the side of a murderer of they attempted suicide?

How TF is this comparable. You’re reaching here.

Tillymintsmama · 16/09/2019 09:36

Would/have any of you let your 11 year old daughter watch it?

pinkribbons · 16/09/2019 09:53

Don't think you can make a comparison between Billie Eillish and Little mix they and their music are a completely different genre for a start. Fifth Harmony and Ariana Grande etc are very similar to LM

Pinkyyy · 16/09/2019 10:04

@BringTheBounceBack it's called an extreme example. A person's past actions and everything else don't suddenly change because they've made a suicide attempt. The fact is that majority of young famous women are now pumping themselves with fillers and all its doing is encouraging young impressionable women to do the same. They often don't have the money so go to unsafe places and risk their lives to try and achieve this image.

Instead of doing all that work on the outside, she should have worked on her inside instead.

ChicCroissant · 16/09/2019 10:06

My year 8 (12, almost 13) watched it, there was some bad language but I think she hears a lot worse at secondary school tbh Grin

DD is a both a Mixer and a Billie Eilish fan, it is possible to like different music genres.

Marmite17 · 16/09/2019 10:12

Thought the doc said that having social media accounts was part of her contract?
So she is probably expected to raise publicity and sell the band rather than being real.
If I'm down I avoid Facebook. She doesn't appear to have that option.

EmAreSea · 16/09/2019 10:33

Billie Eilish has just started out and is already hugely successful. She prides herself on never dressing like that and she's only 17.

This the same Billie Eilish who has lyrics about seducing Fathers?
I wouldn’t be holding her up as a shining example to young women either...

SinkGirl · 16/09/2019 11:05

If there are female pop stars coming out now who market themselves as taking pride in dressing more modestly etc you can bet your backside it’s because some cynical music exec has decided this is a marketable attribute in the current social climate. Don’t be so naive.

I don’t know who Eilish is, does she write her own songs and therefore have some more power? Do you have any concept what the contracts for X Factor winners are like? They have no decision making abilities, very little in terms of compensation in the scheme of things - it’s absolute exploitation.

And you cannot compare it to Ed Sheeran - there are plenty of Male singer songwriters who are successful despite not being conventionally attractive. Little Mix are not in the same category, and female pop stars are under immense pressure. Criticising her for confirming to it is missing the entire point.

BiBiBirdie · 16/09/2019 11:13

Yep Billie does wrote her own songs and in the genre she is in (so not bouncy pop) she does have far greater options than LM.
I allowed my 11 year old DS to watch for the pp who asked.

BringTheBounceBack · 16/09/2019 11:24

Would/have any of you let your 11 year old daughter watch it?
Mine are younger and I did.

BringTheBounceBack · 16/09/2019 11:27

she should have worked on her inside instead
That’s something you could apply to yourself

bluebluezoo · 16/09/2019 11:46

What I think would be great now all this has come out is if Jesy and LM stop with the corsets, heavy make up, big hair/lips etc and just start dressing like normal girls.

I can see how she's made changes to herself to appease the bullies, but as she's learned it's the bullies, not your appearance or whatever it is they pick on. So what better fuck you than to just stop all that.

Show young fans that they don't need to change themselves, it's the bullies with the problem.

BringTheBounceBack · 16/09/2019 12:31

Ah blue but you can easily argue that Jesy likes wearing these things too.It’s difficult, but I see where you are coming from.

Hey1256 · 16/09/2019 15:16

@bluebluezoo I completely agree. I think Jesy seems quite outspoken now and as they are so successful would assume they have a lot more control over their image than when they won X factor.

I actually think initially they were clean cut and covered up and so I actually think it's them that want the raunchy image in this case and less so to do with the company execs behind them.

It's not a good image for young women to aspire to. I agree she's an adult an not obliged to take on the role model thing if she doesn't want to but personally I wouldn't want my teenage daughter to look up to her for so many reasons.

She seems like a nice girl, but the insecurities are not something in an ideal world women should look up to ( not her fault admittedly) but still far from aspirational.

Look at Meghan Markle who receives bullying on a massive worldwide scale but somehow manages to not give a shit and cave into the bullies. I find that's inspirational more so than Jesy Nelson as an example

TacoLover · 16/09/2019 16:17

Are you really that stupid?

One would think you are quite lacking in the brain department actually seeing as you cited Billie Eilish as an example of a good role model for children when she directly references getting bruised knees while giving blow jobs to older men in her songsConfused

She has no choice in the matter.

Only because people like you keep trying to force her to. Why are you so desperate for celebrities to be role models for your children? I suspect possibly because there's a lack of good female role models in your daughter's life already. The misogyny is so obvious. Do you see people fuming because Liam Payne(from One Direction) takes his shirt off on stage? Is he being a terrible role model for boys? Because no one ever talks about that.

TacoLover · 16/09/2019 16:21

Look at Meghan Markle who receives bullying on a massive worldwide scale but somehow manages to not give a shit and cave into the bullies.

And how on earth do you know that? Nobody in the general public knew what Jesy was going through at the time of her suicide attempt.

I find that's inspirational more so than Jesy Nelson as an example

Oh, so Jesy isn't as inspiring because she apparently doesn't deal with bullying as well as you think Megan Markle does? Wow. What a horrible attitude.

Hey1256 · 16/09/2019 17:57

@TacoLover why the hell is it nasty to say I find someone more inspirational?

You have a very weird attitude, I'm entitled to an opinion

LimitIsUp · 16/09/2019 18:07

A compelling watch - I am not a Little Mix fan (wrong demographic), but am now a Jesy Nelson fan. She seems such a lovely person and it was awful to see the toll it had taken on her

LimitIsUp · 16/09/2019 18:09

Must admit, whilst I was watching the documentary I kept imagining Amy from Love Island reading some of the very personal comments made about her (including her appearance) on the Mumsnet Love Island threads

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Anthilda · 16/09/2019 19:17

Agree @LimitIsUp, she seems the type I could have a good natter with. Very likeable personality.

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TacoLover · 16/09/2019 20:00

why the hell is it nasty to say I find someone more inspirational

It's not nasty in general to say that you find someone more inspiring. It is nasty to say someone is less inspirational than someone else because they aren't 'good enough' at dealing with bullying. It sounds as though you are suggesting Jesy is weaker than Megan Markle(even though you have no way of knowing thisConfused) which is a horrible thing to say about someone who attempted suicide, to suggest they are weak or not as good at dealing with bullying as other people. The way you say 'manages not to cave into bullies' as if Jesy is weak for attempting suicide is especially revolting.

Hey1256 · 16/09/2019 20:55

@TacoLover grow up.

You do realise how text can be interpreted differently to the intention behind them?

Why on mumsnet can people not have a debate without someone getting pissy to point where it's pathetic.

TacoLover · 16/09/2019 22:21

You do realise how text can be interpreted differently to the intention behind them?

Obviously I know that. So if I have interpreted what you said incorrectly then why don't you explain what you actually meant instead of deflecting by calling me pathetic and telling me to grow up?