Jesy Nelson documentary.

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Has anyone watched this yet? It is really sad. I've just cried most of the way through. I actually dont think shes ugly. Unique looking yes, but not physically repulsive. And I think she has such beautiful big eyes and many other nice features like nice hair and good body shape. It is so sad to see the toll the bullying took on her mental health.

Why is it vile to be honest?
I haven't commented on her body at all, just about the clothing she wears on stage.
I think that sends out a terrible message to young girls who look up to her.

She can feel good knowing that she's causing others to feel exactly the way she did now, can't she.
WTF alright, calm down Hopkins

She has ruined herself though. I don't like little mix anyway, awful role models.

Yet you're telling a woman who tried to kill herself because of bullying about her appearance that she's ruined herself. You sound like an absolutely shit role model. I hope you're not passing your vile attitude onto your kids, if you have any.

My kids wouldn't dare wear the things they wear (or rather, don't wear).

They wear On Stage.

Admittedly I dont follow them but have they been doing drugs? Robbing old ladies????

This statement is ridiculous. Just because she's not been committing crimes doesn't mean she can't be a bad role model.

To consider Jesy Nelson as a role model is just nuts.

They're great entertainment and talented girls but just because she's being bullied (and I have every sympathy for her in that respect) but it doesn't mean we should all want her as a role model.

My kids wouldn't dare wear the things they wear (or rather, don't wear)
That’s nice

I always thought she was gorgeous. That's not the point that matters though. It's so sad that women are still judged so much by their physical appearance when it is what is in our hearts and minds that truly defines us as human beings. Even sadder is the fact that so much of this judgement is driven by other women - I'll bet a pound to a penny the vast majority of Her trolls and bullies are female.

My kids wouldn't dare wear the things they wear (or rather, don't wear).

It's interesting how female pop stars are always given the impossible job of 'role model'. The vast majority of male popstars also sing about sex etc, even Ed Sheeran, but are they attacked for not being a 'role model'? No. They didn't enter the industry to be fucking role models, they entered it because they wanted to sing. Whether they have young fans or not doesn't mean they have to change how they present themselves for other people.

Their music has had adult themes for a long time. They haven't been marketed towards children for ages, so why should they be acting PG and kiddie for a younger audience? It's not their fault that parents are letting their children listen to music inappropriate for their age and therefore becoming fans.

And you act as if they go to Sainsbury's in a leotardthey wear revealing costumes while performing. If you don't think that is suitable for your child's age, then don't let them watch. Don't label them shitty role models and demand that they alter their image for your precious children's innocence. They don't owe you or your children shit, they don't have to be role models if they don't want to.

Stop attacking them because they don't have a 'child friendly image'. They don't have to if they don't want to. Stop expecting singers to be role models for your children and be one yourself.

I’d lay bets that the kind of people who think it’s OK to hound a young woman on-line are the same inadequates who were bullies at school. As to Hopkins, why give such an obviously disturbed woman any credibility?

@TacoLover who said it was all about kids? They're terrible role models to people of any age. And as it happens my kids have better taste in music than to listen to pointless pop music.

Thank you tacolover for saying so eloquently what I've been trying to so badly.

Imagine the role model you are to your kids commenting on the appearance of vulnerable young women rather than promoting body confidence.

With regards the "what they should wear as they are role models" what a load of bollocks.
When do you hear that said about footballers or male celebrities?
I read a blog post years back that was written about the backlash that Rhianna got at the time. The crux of it was that, it's not for some celebrity to be role models for our children, it's our job actually. I couldn't agree more.
Just because my DD loves LM,she's not out at the weekend wearing a costume made of sheer panels and flashing her arse for the world. As her Mum, I wouldn't allow her to. Who would?
The clothes they wear on stage are costumes. When did Jesy wear anything of that style whilst doing the documentary? She was in combats and jeans, probably similar to what you'll see girls her age wearing in town on a Saturday.
The only time she had anything skimpier on was the bustier during the video shoot.

It's for us to show our children that what they wear when performing is not suited to going out to do the shopping or the school disco.

We should ultimately be there role models, we should guide them, which is exactly why I got both my DC to watch the programme.

She’s gorgeous, she’s the one who draws your eye, a bit like spice girls and Geri x people are so cruel especially about women

Do we think though the reason people are horrendous about women is because we just try and ignore it? We don't very often speak up?

Since the documentary, I've seen quite a few women in the public eye voice that they've suffered similar. Emily Atack actually screenshot some of the rotten comments that had been written about her that week. Lily Allen has also voiced that the Police ignored her concerns regarding a stalker who had made it clear he intended to kill her, and she believes she has been dropped by her label over admitting a well known executive sexually assaulted her- and she didn't even name them.

It's about time we all called this out. I've had rotten things said to me online.
I'm quite vocal regards my political views online and have had verbal bashings, most recently from Brexit Party supporters.
Each time I tried to debate and gave backed up examples, they would, 99% of the time, revert to comments on how ugly I am, how I should shut my ugly fucking mouth, how my chin makes me look like a Punch and Judy puppet. How I should be beaten and my husband should teach me to know my place, preferably with violence. These things weren't said by teens. These were middle aged to older males, some of whom looked like Grandfather's. The stuff they said was filth. One told me, and he looked about 60, that I was only good for one thing, and it would be a "sympathy fuck"
I reported every nasty comment. And what did Twitter do? Sweet FA. I think of over 2,000 responses in a chain I got, I reported probably about 200 really nasty ones. They removed only 26.
It's never going to get better until Twitter, Facebook and the rest actually start practicing what they preach.
Part of the documentary where Sian's Mum said that Facebook have never responded to her really disgusted me. They ignore the Police as well. Why are they getting away with that? That definitely needs to be explored in greater depth.

Hear hear BiBi Birdie

Pinkky, this thread is about someone being bullied for their appearance. By what stretch of your imagjnation do you think your contribution is remotely applicable or appropriate? You're just as bad as the bullies being discussed, despite your futile attempts to dress your opinion up as morality. You might as well just call her a slut.

I cant stand this whole role model shite spouted, just a way to slate a female. And it is always females that are supposed to be role models.

Wearing tight clothes or a crop top doesn't give anyone the right to dish out abuse, and you would be a terrible role model if you thought that was ok or that she somehow deserves it

Part of the documentary where Sian's Mum said that Facebook have never responded to her really disgusted me. They ignore the Police as well. Why are they getting away with that? That definitely needs to be explored in greater depth

My understanding is because facebook, twitter, instagram etc are american companies, Uk law is not relevant.

Uk police can ask nicely for the information (usually ignored) but you’d need to use US law to force them. As the victims are UK citizens that becomes complicated.

That’s my understanding from a PC mate who’s tried to investigate a couple of these cases.

Fucking hell some people on this thread are massively missing the point. It was a heartbreaking documentary. The woman tried to commit suicide- I think plastic surgery and makeup are pretty irreverent (beyond reflecting the pressure she is under)

It doesn’t matter if she has had surgery/wears a lot of makeup/is or isn’t pretty. As she said herself if we all stopped talking about peoples appearances and focussed on their talents or intelligence people wouldn’t feel such pressure to conform to such pointless expectations in such a morally arbitrary thing as looks.

@TooTrueToBeGood you said the word, not me. She's a hypocrite and I have no time for people who post pictures of their self constantly, then cry when people call them ugly. Stop posting then. Look at Sia, she's a huge artist but doesn't show her face. She has chosen to portray herself in the way that she has. Nobody stripped her naked and forced her to have her picture taken.

@Pinkyyy You are so right.

I really have sympathy for Jesy and don't want my views to sound like I'm not but ffs we need to start taking some responsibility for things. We can never change external factors, people are always going to be nasty horrible and vile but we can control our reaction to it so why would you carry on posting?

Someone earlier said she had to had social media but doubt she doesn't now yet is still on it!

I think most people use social media as a way to get approval. People need to be more disciplined and get off it if they don't like the comments etc.

I'm not on it for this very reason.

I can't get why people can't see this?

Eh if u dont want people commenting on your appearance dont show ur face?! So u want people to cover up / hide / disappear?!?

who said it was all about kids? They're terrible role models to people of any age. And as it happens my kids have better taste in music than to listen to pointless pop music.

How does that change anything I said? My point was that you should stop demanding that women be role models. That's not their profession. They are singers. They can dress however the fuck they want to. And those types who turn their noses up at pop music are so tiresome. No one cares that you're so artistic because you listen to emo rock or classical or something. 🙄

She's a hypocrite and I have no time for people who post pictures of their self constantly, then cry when people call them ugly. Stop posting then. Look at Sia, she's a huge artist but doesn't show her face. She has chosen to portray herself in the way that she has. Nobody stripped her naked and forced her to have her picture taken

This is a very stupid example. For one, Jesy talks about how people told her to kill herself and called her revolting and repulsive when she was on television on a singing competition, not from posting pictures on her Instagram. Did you even watch the documentary or do you just want to be a twat? And what do you suggest she does then? Never go out in public? Because that's all it took for people to call her a whale. That doesn't make her a hypocrite ffs, are you saying the abuse is her fault because she leaves her house??

Fuck off with your victim blaming bullshit. I hope your kids haven't inherited your disgusting attitude.