Jesy Nelson documentary.

[Anthilda]

Has anyone watched this yet? It is really sad. I've just cried most of the way through. I actually dont think shes ugly. Unique looking yes, but not physically repulsive. And I think she has such beautiful big eyes and many other nice features like nice hair and good body shape. It is so sad to see the toll the bullying took on her mental health.

You sounds like one of the professionally offended so won't won't waste too much time responding to you. I teach my children that anything they have on their phone, even once deleted, is never safe. It would pay others well to learn the same.

I stand by the fact that anyone who hates their body so much, wouldn't post it naked on the internet.

@Anthilda I find your opening post quite strange: "I actually don't think she's ugly..."

IMO she's an objectively beautiful young woman. The language you use implies you think she's strange looking which is crazy to me. I think she's naturally very very pretty and I believe she's been targeted by trolls because she was a bit bigger than your average girl in a pop group.

Pinkyyy you’re so busy telling us how your girls have class and decency , but I’m struggling to see how you know anything about that from your own posts.

YOU are part of the problem. You are the type of person to add to the mountain of shit women like Jesy suffer and they consider taking their own lives.

Your horse is so fucking high you can’t see from there.

Utter bullshit. I don't use it. I have a few close friends who don't either. We are early thirties. It's not essential part of life.

Okay, I'll rephrase. All, if not the vast majority of, celebrities use social media. Social media has become a form of advertisement and therefore is necessary for most young celebrities to be successful. And even if not everyone uses social media, that doesn't mean that people are allowed to want to be able to use it without abuse. If you got bullied on MN, would you be happy if someone went, well don't complain about it, if it's so bad then just fuck off the site? This is the same thing.

And Jesy got abuse when she wasn't even properly on social media at the start, just from being on the X Factor or going outside with her bandmates. Should she stop singing and stop leaving her house if she's upset about what people say when she does?

And @Pinkyyy I have no words. Describing a woman who has been brave enough to talk about her fucking suicide attempt as telling a 'sob story' and describing her as 'trash' wow, just wow. What a vile person. I am honestly disgusted by your attitude.

my girl has class and decency

I'm wondering where she got that from then, because it definitely wasn't from her mother I wouldn't describe someone who degrades a suicide attempt to a sob story as decent or classy. I sincerely hope you never find out what it feels like for someone to call your child's suicide attempt a 'sob story' and to blame them because they are 'trash'.

@BringTheBounceBack i watched BTS of BounceBack and asked what was wrong with her. But Perrie has had just as much bullying and trolling from Zayn's fans.

@Pinkyyy why are they awful role models?

@Pinkyyy you are a bully, Jesy did not pose naked for fun, but to highlight bullying with the names she had been called written all over her. I feel sorry for your DD having a mother like you.

@TacoLover well said 👏👏👏

Yes you can all make your excuses and call me a terrible person. Difference is I don't suddenly change my opinion on a person because they attempted suicide. Yes that's terrible, but what does it change? She's still an awful role model. I can't believe that people can make up excuses for all the things she has done just because of that fact.

Would you suddenly be on the side of a murderer of they attempted suicide? Of course not. People struggle with mental health every day and attemt suicide, some are even successful. Why is she more important than all of them? Ah right because she sits on TV and cries about it, FOR MONEY.

@FuckFacePlatapus for many reasons. They decided that the best way to spread the message about anti bullying was to write the names they had been called all over their naked bodies. What is that helping? Lady gaga once filled a stage with people who had been sexually assaulted. They wrote words on their forearms and it was so much more powerful than these girls who felt it necessary to be naked.

They have all had plastic surgery, jesy in particular is practically unrecognisable. Do you think that totally altering your appearance as soon as you get fame sends a good message? Or do you think it makes other impressionable people think that they need to do the same to get ahead in life?

@Pinkyyy

I stand by the fact that anyone who hates their body so much, wouldn't post it naked on the internet.

Agree with the above.

I hope she never again goes through the depths of suicidal despair that she did. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I do agree with PPs that her message is totally inconsistent especially to young girls that may be fans. Looks shouldn't matter she says yet look at my lip fillers, lashes , hair extensions etc. Something that a young fan may want to copy but can't afford to and feels lesser than or unattractive without (when they're probably not at all).

She admitted she posts edited pics regularly for likes and validation. So is reinforcing that mindset right there.

It is possible to step back from social media if you really want to. The people I know that have seem much happier for it. I really admire them for not following the herd and they inspire me to step back despite FOMO.

I think it's difficult to build an argument to say 'hey stop Focusing on our appearance' when you are wearing next to nothing in your performances.

You clearly have no concept of the way the industry works. You think it’s just a coincidence that the majority of female pop stars dress and act this way?

Look at Sia, she's a huge artist but doesn't show her face.

Utterly missing the point. Sia was already a very successful songwriter in the industry. She was in a completely different position of power than some young girls who went through X Factor.

@SinkGirl Billie Eilish has just started out and is already hugely successful. She prides herself on never dressing like that and she's only 17. It most certainly isn't necessary and I'm glad people like Billie are realising this and doing something about it.

What a load of shit.
Billie Eillish is in a different era at the start of her career. LM came out of a talent show at the height of that models popularity, 10 years ago.
Things have changed since then, we have had #metoo and the likes.
She is also a very different artist from LM, so that's a ridiculous statement.
Surely the fact she swears like a sailor on stage would mean she would also be a terrible role model? Every other word was a curse word at Reading festival when DD and I watched the live stream and she was on mid-afternoon.

@FionaBrusque stop trying to make something of nothing. There was no Ill intent in my post whatsoever, go and find a hobby.

Oh so they can't change then, no? Artists change all the time but for them it's once naked, always naked. What a load of rubbish. If she wasn't happy with it then she could have changed it at any time. She didn't because she liked the attention.

Her problem is she loved to Basque in all the positive comments but she couldn't handle the negative ones. Perhaps if she stopped feeling validated by comments online, then the negative ones wouldn't affect her so badly.

Or you know, get off social media all together. Ed Sheeran isn't much of a social media poster and people have made fun of his looks from the start. Or is that yet another example you'll find a reason to dismiss.

She's still an awful role model

STOP EXPECTING WOMEN TO BE ROLE MODELS FOR YOUR CHILDREN AND BE ONE YOURSELF. SHE CAN LIVE HER LIFE HOWEVER THE FUCK SHE WANTS TO

Ed Sheeran isn't much of a social media poster and people have made fun of his looks from the start.

Ed Sheeran uses social media all the time.

Can I ask you have you actually WATCHED the documentary or are you just on here spouting your bullshit without knowing any of the facts?

@TacoLover typing in capitals does nothing. Are you really that stupid? She has no choice in the matter. She's a famous woman, so young girls will look up to her. Especially as that was their target audience until not that long ago. She can't just say she's not a role model and then suddenly girls won't aspire to be like her. That's not how it works.

Tbf loads of celebs now have assistants run their social media for them and only notify them when they consider it relevant or how many followers they have or whatever- I would imagine that doesn't include the details of the haters' comments. Makes sense.

If you got bullied on MN, would you be happy if someone went, well don't complain about it, if it's so bad then just fuck off the site? This is the same thing.

Yes, I absolutely would. It would make sense that if MN was bullying me and it was making me suicidal to delete it. I would be silly not to, if I kept logging back in day after day what sense would that make?

She doesn't personally have to interact with her social media. She can hire someone to do it for her and notify her when there is something she needs to know. If this is what she has to do to save her mental health, then yes extreme measures are necessary.

You say it's not that easy because she's famous etc etc it's rubbish.

Yes it probably would help her if she stepped away from social media, but mental illness isn't that simple.

She gets validation in the form of 'likes' which helps to counteract the beliefs she has about herself.

I don't know if she can ever be 'cured' unless she quits the group and gets out of the public eye. She doesn't appear to enjoy any of it

@Goatrider I do agree, but I myself have been a sufferer of mental health so I do understand. And there were things in my life that were triggers.

These triggers I had to take out of my life and it was only me responsible for that. I'm not victim blaming Jesy before anyone starts but if there is an external factor contributing to you suicidal thoughts you have to remove it.

Only Jesy has the power to do that.

And those that say she isn't a role model, when you have a job in the public eye like it or not being a role model is a by product of your occupation.

Just like in lots of other jobs - teachers are role models to their students, company bosses are role models to their employees.