THE MISSING IS BACK - PART 3

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SQUEAL, CANT WAIT FOR TONIGHTS EPISODE :)

thought better start a new thread as part 2 is almost full

thread 1 here and thread 2 here

so much to question, but the death the sexy policeman by driller killer had us all last week, assume has to be dead 'clutches straws'

How?

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Actually re the DNA, if Getterick was holding Alice then the DNA could easily have been swapped or faked.

How? I really can't see how he would easily swap tissues samples even if he had access to the body after it was recovered from the shed, which seems almost impossible.

Well he also knew it was going to happen before it did so if it was a case of swapping Alice's sample in them he would have the sample prepped so it would be a case of switching the contents of a pot or having a second pot to switch out anywhere along the line before it's tested.

Option a) switching the contents, you'd think there'd be DNA residue that the lab would pick up on showing a second DNA that didn't match but maybe such a small amount they would say it was undeterminable who's or just assume it was Gemma's from shed coat (who hasn't been test).

B) swapping pots completely would have major issues with handwriting or ref numbers etc.

A could be possible in that he would be expecting it and to be prepared to intercept it.

But he was the one who told Gemma the news.

I think people are expect too real an answer though. To me it seems unrealistic that it was all handled by the army not the police as baptiste said. That doesn't sound realistic at all. Particularly in a foreign and very efficient country with a high profile case.

Could the 13 year old Iraqi girl be Daniel Reed's mother? If he was in his early 20s in 2015, it's just about plausible.

It was Eve that told Gemma about the DNA.

Gattrick swapping lung tissues samples? I just can't see it. The body was badly burnt in the fire - singing a bit of hair (there would be no hair left) or scorching a bit of lung tissue is pretty much impossible.

What we don't know is who phoned Eve with the DNA results.

Well alternatively, he, Gatterick, could have intercepted the DNA results letter sent to Eve - she was the one who opened them and relayed the news to Gemma. He was the press/liaison officer after all. Presumably Sam, Alice's dad, already had given DNA samples.

Did eve get a letter with the results? I thought it was a phone call!!!!

Could the Iraqi girl have been pregnant and could the baby have been taken on by Brig and passed off as Eve's sister? That might explain why only Eve was mentioned by Reed when he realised the girl was only 13 and it could be what further binds them all together into a deeper conspiracy (Aldi too) and brings Brig into DK's inner circle? I don't think Eve's sister is the Iraqi girl, she is pale skinned (and how would Brig have passed off suddenly having a 13 year old daughter?). Maybe Brig's wife had miscarriages (the "so many babies" comment) and DK gave them this baby to keep Brig quiet.

Someone mentioned Aldi's anger. I think she was just angry at the realisation her husband was innocent and she was instrumental in his conviction by handing over the camera. I think she knows more and now realised how she and her husband have been used.

Oh, and Sophie and Lucy together were locked into a blue room. With locks on. The room next door (without locks) is the pink room which Lucy was in after Sophie went to Switzerland. And not locked in (hence she came downstairs when Jorn came). So Alice must have always been in the basement.

Just caught up. Sorry to harp on, but I still need to connect Sophie and Alice. Sophie is taken first in Paris - no army or German connections as far as we know. Happens to speak English because she has an English mother. She is taken out of the country to be kept in a basement in Germany. Not long afterwards Alice is taken - this time the kidnapper knows the family, she is kept just around the corner from where she was taken on the army base. Much more risky - searches would have been taking place around the base I imagine. Why take another girl so soon afterwards? Was it someone to keep Sophie company? I believe they were both kept in the basement, but Sophie and Lucy were given special privileges and allowed to come upstairs. I'm more and more thinking Lucy is Alice's child - because of the "Me and mummy in the basement" comment when Sophie was already in Switzerland and Jorn called round. We do know, however, that Sophie has had a child at some point. I think the DNA on the body in the shed will turn out to have been fiddled by Driller (a bit far fetched). I think the main purpose of Lena, the other missing girl was to provide the red herring of the body in the shed - and the necessary clue to lead Jorn to Driller. If he hadn't taken her he wouldn't have sparked suspicion - he also wouldn't have had any way of getting Sophie out for her op and back again with sparking a huge hunt. She is esssential to the plot for those reasons alone.
I can see how Reed and Stone, knowing what happened in Iraq might have had suspicions of Driller being Sophie's adbductor, but still can't see for the life of me why they would have covered for him. They both seemed horrified by the death of the Iraqi girl and by what Driller had done. Reed could have been being blackmailed over his relationship with the transsexual prostitute - but what about Stone? Why wouldn't he cover and be so implicated? What does Driller have on him? That's why I was speculating some pages back that Eve could be the girl from Iraq - but she would have been 13 and would remember and also Reed makes reference to Eve when they are at the house in Iraq. Why has Stone been covering for Driller????

Apologies for ridiculously long post

I'm troubled by the camper van. It was abandoned by cabin in Switzerland with the glasses in it - how did it get there? Driller drove in a different car. Who does the large dog Sophie petted belong to? Also the camper van had been there a while I think - can anyone remember what year the boy in the car saw it?

Excellent points Ollycat. I'd been wondering that too. Why leave the camper van there - it was pretty much the only clue in the Sophie Giroux disappearance - you'd think he'd have driven it miles from the scene and destroyed it. No sign of the dog when Driller came back.

I'm wondering if the camper van belongs to another person - yes driller has the girls but did he abduct them?

I may just have to go back through the episodes in catch up to find out what year the boy spotted IT when playing I Spy - I can't help feeling it's a clue

I know I keep harpingon about the names, but I've only just realised Drilla's first name is Adam. Coincidence that there's an Adam and an Eve?

Why did Garret not kill Alice? Keeping her alive and moving her around from place to place is so risky. If she'd become a nuisance why not just kill her? If he's already killed Lena it wouldn't be that much of a jump to kill Alice as well.

Which leads me to conclude that Lena wasn't murdered by him but died of natural causes. Childbirth, maybe? If so, maybe that's why he took such a risk in bringing in Reed to the situation. He didn't want to lose another girl in childbirth.

Perhaps Stone also has tendencies for young women, which is how he knew Sophie. It may well have been him who discovered she had appendicitis. He kept his and Ketterick's secret.

The boy saw the van in the present day apparently. So it would indicate that there were two, at least, people involved.

Perhaps Stone was referring to Lena when he talked about what happened to the girl.

Don't know how they will tie up loose ends next week in one hour .

The main thing is that Alice gets reunited with her mum and brother, (dad is an arsehole), and that driller gets that smirk wiped off his god damn face.

What do we think about the RT quote mentioned earlier:

"and there’s one good moment when you’ll think – and this is down entirely to some very subtle acting by those involved – “Ah, I see, it seems so obvious now.”"

I'm wondering if there's a blood relationship between two people (though not sure how this would work) we've not seen.

What happened to the boy who was working in the butchers' shop? Was he totally incidental?

Lots of good theories on here... but I still think much of what I thought from my last post, a week or so ago.

I think Iraq will be unconnected to Alice / Sophie except for Drilla. I don't think the 13 year old Iraqi will have any further connection, and I don't think Reed or Stone was directly involved in this case.

I do think Sophie and Alice were groomed, and tattooing themselves was part of that grooming. I also wonder if Alice was taken to be a friend for Sophie...?

I don't think Reed knew about Sophie until she got appendicitis. I think Drilla called him in to help and threatened to speak out, so was killed, framed to look like a suicide. Drilla was planning to use Iraq (and possibly his prostitution habit, if he knew about that) to silence him. He wouldn't agree to keep silent, so was killed.

I also think Stone has no direct involvement with the Sophie case. I think when Sophie said "how can you live with yourself" she was referring to Iraq and only knew about that because of Drilla. But it could have been some kind of warning to him to back off....

I do think it will turn out that Drilla swapped the DNA samples.... okay, so people have said it wouldn't work out in reality - but this is a tv show, and they're not always an accurate portrayal of reality.

I'm still convinced Lucy is Sophie's daughter. I also think Sophie hates Drilla but is biding her time to get Lucy away.

Things still left unresolved...

The relevance of Lena
Quite why Stone warned Sophie to remain silence.

And the big one no one seems to have mentioned yet - the symbolism of the wolf.
I noticed it on the clues someone posted in the last couple of days. But it was also on Sophie's clothes after she returned, it was on the theme park photo and it was on the banner / flag when they were in Iraq. What is the significance here...?

I presume Sophie drove the van - no?

I assume don't Sophie used the camper van to get there. She's been in Switzerland for a yearsish? Or at least left some point in 2015 (late 2015 as Sam mentions it was a year ago the fire in same timeline) and they meet her in 2016 although that doesn't look particularly wintery so could be a spring/summer/autumn.

The dog, did she so adopt a stray for company? Why leave it by the van? Why let it bark at the van and draw attention? Why is the van parked so close to the road? Surely that can't be the only/nearest parking? The car in 2016 must be parked somewhere to get Alice in without being seen.

I think once Sophie was pregnant or had Lucy she was moved upstairs. I'm not sure how aware Lucy is of Alice's existants although she must have heard her at some point so maybe she knows, maybe she is mummy.

I like the idea that Sophie helped take Alice still. Like she groomed her online or something. Whether Alice was taken for companionship or to please DK, I dunno.

I think in Iraq Reed was disgusted by DK, Brig a bit but is driven by loyalty. DK has over Brig that he set the fire, killed the girl. Aldi didn't know about that end of the story. I think DK would use this and what eve would think etc to keep brig helping, covering etc. I don't think brig did abyghibg sexual with the girls when they were young. If he did at all then maybe when they were adults but I'm not sure. Having said that there is no evidence of a Mrs brig (have they mentioned her other than in the alabaster skin movement? Can't remember) so he may be "in need" of sexual/affectionate contact

I may just have to go back through the episodes in catch up to find out what year the boy spotted IT when playing I Spy - I can't help feeling it's a clue

It was "Present day", Ollycat - see the beginning of the script linked upthread (ktel1's post at 18.29 on 22.11.16).

When gettrick got to the cabin he said "it's all been worth it hasn't it? " to Sophie-;I took it that he masterminded the plot and she went along with it because he had her daughter?
I'm sure lucy is alice's after she drew "me and mummy in the basement"

Thank you Lark - I don't think Sophie drove the van - when / how would she have learnt to drive?

Really way out idea here (but I've been off work sick so too much time to think about this!). Driller was married to Eve's sister so Lucy is Eve's??