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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.

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botemp · 16/08/2021 13:29

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microbius · 13/01/2022 14:09

Probably was unclear and I should add a qualifier: rich, vacuous woman whose other clothes was about signalling wealth, leisure and "prettiness"

XingMing · 13/01/2022 15:31

@Redandblue11

I also need to see the andia foras , are these? Or am I really wrong xing?

Regarding which ones to choose, also I would consider … I assume you already have another pair(s) of practical boots/shoes. Meaning you will not be ‘stuck without shoes in your front porche without being able to leave the house when is muddy … (almost certain that won’t be the case… Wink)

These are the boots, Microbius; thank red for the picture, but I bought them in black. The last pair in 39, although I prefer a 38.

I think aedye is a good shout, but for classic boots and shoes in the English style I'd look at Cheaney or Grenson. DH and DS both like Cheaney, which are rather like Church's and made in England, but without the LVMH mark up. DH also likes R M Williams, but again, now owned by LVMH and prices were hiked by 50% from when he bought them -- by LVMH to fit into their luxury international brand structure.

XingMing · 13/01/2022 15:33

Blow, you can see the picture on page 6 of this thread in blush pink, which is so so unXing!

microbius · 13/01/2022 17:14

xing thank you so much, I just ordered a pair from Grenson. Exactly like Solovaire, but in brown as I wanted and half price! I love you. Or I will love you if they fit :)

microbius · 13/01/2022 17:30

got overexcited! feel like a rude 16 year old. Thanks xing for directing me to these brands I didn't know

XingMing · 13/01/2022 17:57

A word of warning, microbius: you have fallen into dangerous company. You will be fabulously well-dressed though. Delighted to be the enabler, and glad you found a bargain!

quirkychick · 13/01/2022 18:43

Oh no, bo, maybe I'm a witch too? Shock I have square feet (though I had toes the last time I looked) and also have the ridiculous growing nails. Mine seem to grow overnight, one day fine and the next claws that need trimming.

Xing is right about being in dangerous company, microbius.

botemp · 13/01/2022 20:57

Ah I think the corner you backed yourself into microbius is pretty good example of UK shoe culture from my observation. Footwear can be boring and functional, classic, with a small allowance for eccentricity but it can't be flashy and by extension being seen to be spending money on shoes seems to be some mortal sin and all sort of assumptions will be made about you. Shoes also appear to be tribal, there's the Golden Goose crowd, the Grenson sort, the Veja people, etc.

Despite living in the land of everyone wears trainers I'm no expert in it at all. It baffles me quite frankly, occasionally I lurk on the sneakers subreddit trying to make sense of it but I just don't really get it or why people will camp out all night for some special drop. It just looks like highly inflated prices for the same shoes but slightly different colours in limited numbers. It just screams tulip mania to me and everyone seems to be a willing participant 🤷 I still desperately want to understand the appeal aside from FOMO, calling things 'fire' unironically, Raf Simons waving some secret magical wand over it all and emulating hip hop stars. There's got to be more to it.

As for my own trainers choices, we're not natural bedfellows so I tend to take forever to buy any and they sort of need to be more of a shoe than a trainer. There's some fit issues with traditional athletic brands as the arch support is in the wrong place and they're often too wide and too high (bye bye ankle, hello cankle) which then doesn't work well with my proportions, hourglasses tend to struggle more with casual anyhow so it's just a compounding of things. I often end up in the in my mind very uncool spectrum of designer trainers that emulate a proper trainer but they're worn like a shoe or boot almost. They're very much the why would anyone pay a premium for more expensive copies of an inexpensive iconic shoe sort. Think the Céline version of Vans, Isabel Marant or Common Projects version of Stan Smiths, etc.

I think Eytys is making interesting yet wearable trainers (and shoes, generally) atm, bit nostalgic of my teen years but I highly suspect they wouldn't work well enough for me to give versatility beyond jeans. JW Anderson also has some hi tops that are a sort of a shoe trainer hybrid but they weren't very comfy somehow. I'm also quite enamoured with these attached Lanvin Curb trainers, they're completely mad and probably quite polarising, but I mostly see the potential of pairing them with wide legged tailored trousers (of which I have many Blush) and knocking the formality out of them. It's what got me unearthing my IM wedge trainers, there's an overlap of sorts with inflated features and proportions and that's why those work for me. I had it in my mind that my IM trainers could possibly work well with these trousers I've been sewing (nearly done, I still need to make the belt for the waist and a few other small finishes but I needed to send for some extra supplies) and I really like the way it reshapes the bottoms into something else like in the Lanvin picture. The Lanvin feel a bit too steep of a purchase for trainers as they're things I don't wear too much, if I could see it work with other things I'd maybe consider it. I did try on some Adidas Ozweego Pure trainers in Other Stories before the shops closed here
I liked those too as with a black sock or tights they are sort of boot like as it all melds into one and would work well with slightly above ankle length trousers and dresses. It was too busy to fit properly though so I'll go back once the shops open up here again (🤞 good signs it'll be by private appointment from Saturday again) but they were really comfy and the first time I've come across an athletic brand shoe that works well for me in the way they do for most other people.

(Also, forgot to attach bread pic previously, I admit it does look somewhat sinister from this angle. Nice to know you're an accidental witch too, quirky, we can form a coven 🧙‍♀️)

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microbius · 13/01/2022 21:48

Dangerous company is my favourite!

bo about the corner I am in. Yes, one could say so, but equally one could say it's about the politics and the socio-political structures of the country one lives in. France is a republic with excellent state education and yes, of course, inequalities and various problems but they are somewhat different to the British ones. There is the idea of egalite, liberte et cetera. Ecole Normale Superieure, Sartre, de Bouvoire, you name it. In Britain, we have royalty and the class system and the role to aspire to is that of aristocracy or in any case people that do not need to work for a wage. [hence hatred of "specialists"] Oxbridge in common parlance is most synonymous with privilege not achievements of the human spirit and reason. In this context, if a certain substratum of a certain group of people get associated with a certain style, it can irredeemably tarnish that style, because it becomes deeply politicised.

I am sure that if I lived in France, I'd have a different style, 100%.

And thank you for the long view on trainers. At the moment, following the square toe discussion, I am eyeing square toe Cos loafers

The bread looks amazing. The trousers are magnificent

botemp · 13/01/2022 21:56

Well I must be an outlier then, I'd have the same style in France if I lived there. I'd just have access to more precious things all the time, it would be lethal to my bank account.

I think you're overly romanticising France's égalité though, there's a class system, same as anywhere else, it's just not as overt to outsiders but it functions just the same.

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microbius · 13/01/2022 22:20

On this I actually don't agree. I think there are many countries where there is not a class system. Not a classic one, like the British one. Yes, there are always differences in socio-economic status, education, jobs, etc I lived in other European countries and I actually truly believe there are vast differences between class differentiation in, say, Finland (where I lived), and class in Britain.

I don't romanticise France and I don't want to live there. In my line of work, I won't be able have a career there. But I know how a centralised structure (with its great pitfalls, of course) can normalise a country in a way that even if you can't afford something you are not by birth excluded from it. Things are for the people kind of thing. Actually I think you were talking about it earlier on in one of these threads.

And of course, you'd probably have the same style everywhere, but it's because it's part of your identity as an architect / designer? [sorry for kitchen psychology] You are talented and are trained to look and see structures and planes and relations expressed in a material form; you construct your wardrobe how you would construct a building and its interiors. And it is a holistic vision tying different things together.

I write books, visual appearance is not that important to me. I didn't spend any time developing visual literacy; I am greatly and easily influenced. In fact at the moment I am fighting hard not to try replicating what I saw of your style as it would make no sense in my life :)

botemp · 14/01/2022 13:29

Flo, where are you hiding? Margaret Howell sales start tomorrow.

I don't think we're disagreeing Microbius, just using different definitions of class system, I'm using the (common) definition where social class and socioeconomic status are synonymous and you seem to have separated them out.

No, my personal style isn't linked to my identity as an architect. It far preceded my interest and joining of the profession and has to adapt to include that. Occasionally I'll even don the expected architect look with some prospective clients as it just makes business sense sometimes to conform to people's visual expectations of an architect, it allows for a blank canvas effect of sorts. There's a reason why Steve Jobs hijacked the look.

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Floisme · 14/01/2022 20:21

I'm here! Thank you bo, I'm on it. Paging @missmoon

missmoon · 15/01/2022 09:07

Ooh, thank you so much @Floisme! Off to have a look!

botemp · 15/01/2022 11:21

Ha, it's like an old fashioned phone tree (is that the English term too?) on here. Any exciting purchases made at MH? Shops opened up here again so I had a quick browse through this morning, Guantanamo dress is still full price Envy and most other shops had shifted their sale stuff to online so it wasn't all that exciting. Did see some Khaite looking ankle boots at Arket that were 70% off plus a further 20% but I wasn't convinced they'd look good for long or be very comfortable so left them behind despite their bargain status Halo

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Redandblue11 · 15/01/2022 15:14

I am actually considering something from the grenson sale, but I am clueless about the tribal associations of wearing Grensons . What will people assume of me if I wear them?

botemp · 15/01/2022 17:43

It's more specific to the Grenson Nanette boots, and their ubiquitous peak has been long gone now so I wouldn't worry about it but since you ask. Generally (not all Grenson wearers are like that disclaimer) it's people who go to great lengths at insisting they're not followers of fashion and can be quite derisive of it in a not like other girls way, insinuating some sort of cerebral superiority. However, by showing not to care so vehemently, often claiming they got something before everyone else did with an annoyed eye roll they reveal they actually care greatly and ipso facto they are the mindless follower they claim not to be.

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microbius · 15/01/2022 23:01

Good evening! My Gregson order has arrived and the loafers are way too large so they are going back. They are also high and can potentially rub on the ankle bone, so it made me suspicious. I did order something else and if anything sticks, will ask for your opinions.

I need help with a few things now: I went to a local boutique and Tkmaxx and bought things I don't need (one of those trips Blush) and feel guilty... The Tkmaxx underhook was this reduced Club Monaco overcoat, really a raincoat - but not waterproof. It's a lovely rust colour, softer than in the picture and completely rectangular cut. Sleeves are on a shorter side and it's long, with a ridiculous amount of buttons. Shall I keep it or return it (it is £50)? Now even typing it I feel the answer is there; it is something to return... Typical TKMaxx

Another unexpected buy is a very reduced Kate Sheridan bag in peach colour. I don't have any light bags at all, but I don't understand anything about bags. I thought it would be nice for summer but then it would probably mark very easily. DP not keen on it

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
microbius · 15/01/2022 23:04

Sorry I forgot to crop the pictures.
It also feels like some kind of covid burnout? Just out of practice with shopping... bo admiring you for not buying the boots

Redandblue11 · 16/01/2022 10:28

Thanks Bo, and glad things are starting to open up there. Still not convinced about buying something from grenson or other shoe/boot for that case.

Good decision microbius, the coat doesn’t do you any favours, but I think it was made worse than what probably is by having that line running on the ceiling of a similar tone and that horizontal line at the bottom of the mirror… i couldn’t help but looking at all those lines.
I am not convinced about the bag either, I cannot tell from here but gives me the feeling that might be a bit flimsy on the top? And might loose the shape quickly with the straps and depending how much you fill it?

Redandblue11 · 16/01/2022 10:35

In my case I am not sure if is covid burnout or what but the real buys I have done for a year are MH and The Fold sample sales and that boiler suit. Which for me to only buy that in a whole year is a ridiculously low amount.
So far I feel very disinterested in shopping again , but I am not disinterested in clothes I still get joy from them.

botemp · 16/01/2022 10:58

Yes, the TKmaxx changing room colours make it look a bit like you're a stewardess Microbius. It doesn't look bad open but closed the shape is a bit too solid, like it's missing a belt, it's too close fitted around the hips comparatively so the top half looks lost without definition.

I'm with your DP and Red about the bag, it's such an odd colour for the shape, like someone's gone over it with a paint brush like those whitewashed chalk furniture pieces that are everywhere. I think it's very much an it's in the sale for a reason type thing. WRT summer bags, light colour leather bags have sort of disappeared, most city dwellers have switched to fabric totes, woven leather, raffia/sisal, etc. You see the odd bit of tan leather but it's quite a dark shade of tan.

I'm not sure about COVID burnout, it's more environment fatigue for me. As soon as I'm somewhere else I'm much more inclined to buy but locally I'm over it and for obvious reasons they're buying in conservatively and less frequently. I did get the sense yesterday that it was very easy to see me just buying something in every shop I visited just because I could again and a lot of people were doing exactly that. Haven't seen people carrying so many shopping bags in the streets for quite some time. Anyhow, it's really made me want to take a short city getaway but options are limited for the time being.

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Floisme · 16/01/2022 11:23

Ah phone trees! Yes we had something similar (not sure if that was the name) back in the days when my son was in junior school in the pre Whatsapp world.

microbius I do think that coat's a great colour, and a raincoat that's neither grey/navy/beige nor the dreaded 'jaunty' is a rare thing, so I can understand the attractions but I can also see what you mean about the shape. I assume there's no belt? I'm not keen on the colour of that bag and I'd spill my coffee on it the first day I used it. But I'm not a bag person so I wouldn't put too much weight on my judgment.

Ok I've ordered this jacket from the Margaret Howell. Like I said, I wanted something with a utilitarian feel to tone down some of my smarter clothes. There are quite a lot of 'chore jackets' out there but this one still has a bit of a suit jacket feel plus the panels give it an interesting shape (best shown by the back view) which I'm hoping will balance out any Kim Jong-un vibes. And hopefully the fabric will wear well - I intend to work it very hard.

It's a good reduction which presumably means it hadn't sold well so I'm slightly apprehensive there'll be something wrong with it in real life but we'll see. I still have a little cash left over so I'll go back and look again when the final reductions start, or I may just save it and put it towards something in the spring.

I wouldn't say I had burnout but there's so little decent real life shopping to be done round here now that my options feel very limited.

botemp · 16/01/2022 11:47

I thought that would be the most likely candidate for you when I browsed the MH sale Flo. I suspect it might come up a bit big, hence why it hasn't sold well to the MH core full price paying audience of Asian and French petite women.

There was an article in the Guardian yesterday here, the Monki blazer looked sort of your thing too, shape wise, although I spent a bit too long wondering why I never heard of the brand Onki before clicking the link. Quite summery, not sure if it's your colour thing but it seems to be marked down here to €25.

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quirkychick · 16/01/2022 16:41

That was my thought, too, bo, who are Onki Grin. I like the leather blazer, very similar to my ancient Guess one.

I like the MH one, flo. Look forward to seeing it on.

microbius the tkmaxx changing rooms do look a bit surreal with the matching colour coat! At first I thought the bag was a light tan on my phone and seemed a good buy, but peach and easily marked sounds not good.