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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.

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botemp · 16/08/2021 13:29

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microbius · 12/01/2022 09:39

And thank you bo for drawing attention to the changing toe, now that you described it, I can see it in new collections

banivani · 12/01/2022 10:27

I highly dislike the square toes. Irrationally.

I quite like the Solovair shoes but that might be the opposite of a recommendation since shoes are my cryptonite. So difficult. They are a very British aesthetic I think. I looked to see if there was a stockist in Sweden, and followed a link to a shop that does not have Solovair but does sell Margaret Howell Shock

ShangPie · 12/01/2022 10:54

microbius if you want to try out loafers, you can normally get Russell & Bromley in all colours on Vinted for not-crazy money. I wasn’t 100% sure if I would wear them, so got some patent black ones for £35. If they don’t make it into regular wear by May, back onto Vinted they go!

These might be worth a punt?
www.vinted.co.uk/women/shoes/oxfords-and-loafers/boat-shoes-and-loafers/1541986248-russel-and-bromley-black-loafers-uk-size-8

(Sorry for the long link - phone Hmm)

ShangPie · 12/01/2022 10:56

And yes to the irrational dislike of the square toes! They spark some kind of bad 90s nostalgia for me. Will be wearing my almond-toed boots and pointy flats until they are no more (and hopefully the dreaded square-toes are out again)

XingMing · 12/01/2022 12:14

ShangPie, I did buy the black boots and am wearing them on repeat, including today, just as long as it's not muddy. This afternoon the rain has stopped and the sun (remember that?) has come out. I got a posh coat out of the wardrobe and wore it over jeans and a sweater, and took myself into visit the posh frock shop to thank the ladies for ticking me off for not wearing my nice clothes.

XingMing · 12/01/2022 12:23

I prefer an almond or rounded toe too; square toes make my wide feet look like our old pram dinghy.

botemp · 12/01/2022 12:27

Ah but they're not really 90s, square toes are very historical, 17th century and probably even earlier. It's a trend they've been pushing for a while now and it's not yet properly landed outside of fashion circles, I think they were supposed to take flight but then the pandemic happened. I have a pair of Zara boots from when it was just bubbling, I think I bought them somewhere in 2019 (but the pandemic screws with my sense of time, it could be earlier). I get loads of compliments on them, which was unexpected. A lot from random people on the street sort. People tend to be really surprised by them in a good way of previously dismissing something but changing their mind when they see it on a live person. I'm sure there's plenty who politely don't say anything Grin I like their versatility and the switch up they allow in familiar clothes. Shoes tend to herald in new silhouettes, that and jeans finally get people moving into something new IME, and being irrationally disliked at first is usually a telltale sign.

There's been a better uptake with men, I suspect they'll continue to push it in women's footwear for a bit. Although come summer it'll be more in the form of 90s Japanese inspired sandals, platforms and all, the square toes aren't as noticeable in those, but they're there.

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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
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banivani · 12/01/2022 12:40

being irrationally disliked at first is usually a telltale sign

No, I don't think I'll ever want a pair, but nor do I like pointy ones. I think I am just a bit too wallpaper and like something less showy.

quirkychick · 12/01/2022 13:09

I used to like square toes in the 90s, but I have quite square feet, so they fit well. I don't know if I'd go for them again, though. I remember my great aunt having some in her wardrobe in a low heeled loafer style. Not sure what decade they were from.

Floisme · 12/01/2022 13:20

Xing may be the only one who can relate to this but after all this square toes talk, I'm back in 1967 when that shape meant not only were your shoes 'square' but you were too. Instant social death doesn't begin to convey it.

microbius I'm quite limited in my shoe habits. Between winter and summer (and to be honest, a lot of the summer too) I mostly wear either brogues or similar flat lace ups or canvas or leather plimsolls. Not trainers as, for some totally irrational reason, I've never much liked them and nothing I've seen these last few years has changed my mind. I do sometimes wear loafers - not often but I've got a pair I bought in Marks and Spencers, probably in the 90s/early noughties that I still like. Of the two you've linked, I prefer the Solovair's and I'm a big fan of their shoes - not cheap but still made in the UK.

And now bani I need to know about these browned butter and salt crisps.

banivani · 12/01/2022 13:33

Not much to say Flo, www.olw.se/product/delichips-brynt-smor-havssalt/ Browned butter and sea salt, allegedly. They're 15 kr/bag in the supermarket across from work so if you're desperate I could probably send you a packet, the shipping will be 5 times as much I'd wager ;)

microbius · 12/01/2022 13:36

Some squares - like the one attached looks quite "radical" by the shoe being so much wider and extra sole being left on the outside and if it were a shorter shoe, I wouldn't mind trying them. I also have Marni sandals and they have a square-ish toe. I understand the gasp though! I never seriously considered pointy shoes, for me it was the nouveau-riche embracing Northern Italian fashion (that is too tight fitting anyway) in wrong contexts. Basically synonymous with vulgarity

banivani we share height struggles and I imagine shoe struggles too. [I live in sneakers and only have 2 pairs of them if you consider the remains of sneakers a pair, really] I also have skin that breaks if anything rubs against it, absolutely cannot "break into" shoes, and require shoes that are comfortable as if made by hand without having the budget! I will let you know how I get with Solovaire. They will either fit amazingly or be so stiff / wide / odd that it will be a total no. Maybe these?
uk.nps-solovair.com/collections/solovair-premium-collection/products/952-000?variant=28826281607232#image-4

ShangPie Thanks! I had a look at Russel & Bromley but the problem is they look to me like a banker's outfit on Sunday, going with chinos and polo shirt. So if they've got to be chunky while being super comfortable and go with things like Margaret Howell skirt

Finally, what made my think about them is my DS's girlfriend loafers which are very nice. The problem is apparently they are Prada Shock
My mapping of style to cost seems to be totally off

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
XingMing · 12/01/2022 16:07

In 1967, I was just off to boarding school and shoes were no choice. Clarks or Start-Rite brown lace-ups in winter/outdoors and T bar sandals in summer, plus rubber flip flops or wellies for everything else. I didn't know shoes came in any other sort until the early 1970s. Rural Cornwall then didn't offer much choice of children's shoes, or my mother wanted us to think so.

quirkychick · 12/01/2022 17:31

I like those solovair lace ups microbius, but each year I say I will buy brogues and I don't. Since stopping full time work and having dcs (gulp16yrs ago) I seem to have stopped buying shoes. I have boots, trainers or sandals.

ShangPie · 12/01/2022 18:18

microbius off duty banker is so on-the-money (ha) descriptive, not a look I expect many of us here aspire to.

Oh no bo, am I the footwear equivalent of MN posters saying they will NEVER EVER abandon their skinny jeans? Blush Maybe a summer sandal will be a gateway drug to ease me into this strange new world.

My second Roald Dahl reference on this thread, but in The Witches, you could tell the witches as they had no toes and square-ended feet.

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botemp · 12/01/2022 18:48

I'm not sure if they were bankers but maybe that's the look they were going for but penny loafers were definitely the shoe of choice for Chinese middle aged men when I was there. Much to my surprise, worn with flesh coloured (though nowhere near their actual skin colour) pop socks that to western eyes looked a bit short as you could see the top of them.

Whatever sinister handbags are, I'm fairly sure all of mine are. Between suffering from hair loss and actually liking square toe shoes I'm well on my way to witchhood 🧙‍♀️ I think. Ooh, I have really strong nails, if I just don't cut them I'm sure they can count as claws. I do so like gloves.

I think by quirky's definition of shoes I don't think I've ever owned any Blush I definitely had Prada loafers at some point when they were a thing, do those count as shoes?

I don't think it will be skinny jean bad Shangpie, shoe shapes aren't as domineering, thankfully but I think shoes are what fashion-ny type people spot first to differentiate between intentional style communicator and happenstance of a great floordrobe.

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XingMing · 12/01/2022 21:09

For my money, shoes are the thing that anchors and defines a look or outfit as NOW or years past. I hope my shoes are several years ahead of my everyday clothing. My shoes change, but my favourite clothes soldier on season after season, until, they don't.

microbius · 12/01/2022 22:08

It's great that Quentin Blake's cartoon! In terms of sinister bags, I just bought a vintage one that looks quite like the one in the picture. The young shop assistant in a fantastic aviator hat told me that these were exceptionally popular in the 80s and are associated with Margaret Thatcher. Maybe that's why the bag is there as a witch symbol? [maybe he was talking bollocks]

xing [whispering] reveal your predictions; what shoes are you wearing now?

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
XingMing · 13/01/2022 08:52

Mostly the black Andia Fora boots referred to above, Microbius. They are soft and practical, with a narrow ankle and a thick moulded sole (further boosted by a 2cm heel lift which was a bo tip from way back when these threads got started) so they look and feel flat but make me look taller and longer-legged I need that assistance.

banivani · 13/01/2022 10:31

I agree that shoes are super important and really show "currency". I've been thinking about the square and pointed shoes thing this morning, and I think that for me I often buy shoes thinking they have to last me many many years and therefore can't be too obviously fashionable because they'll date. When actually, shoes are often worn every single day, unlike the rest of my clothes, so wear out much quicker and might have to be replaced. Maybe I am being too unnecessarily careful, in other words. OTOH, I really don't feel comfortable in things that are too cutting edge, and by the time the edgy has become mainstream (like, for example, thick white soles) I am savvy enough to recognize it as a mainstream fad and be a bit put off Grin

microbius · 13/01/2022 11:28

Xing do you mind sharing a picture? Google has become so crap, I can't find any that would suit your description and their current collection seems to be all trainers...

banivani the problem with shoes is also financial. With clothes, the economics of it is basically that if an item cost £200 to start with, it will go down to £100 on sale, and one can pick it up for £30 on eBay or charity shop. A £500 item if you are lucky, you can find for £100. With shoes, it doesn't work at all. I would be really happy to be proven wrong and it is probably just my lack of knowledge (of where to look) but the shoes in the £200 range are quite boring. All interesting shoes I can see myself wearing if, you know, I embolden myself, are £500 and up and given my size is so rare there is no chance of getting them on sale (size 8 usually sells out). I can't justify paying £500 for a pair of shoes; my house is still non-decorated (moved recently)

botemp · 13/01/2022 12:51

I think Margaret Thatcher's bags were much stiffer. But vintage always sells better with a story Wink it doesn't look all that sinister.

OH randomly exclaimed the bread I baked this morning was sinister looking. I think I might already be a witch Hmm

Ah shoes, so much to say. I think Bani mentioned some linked shoes were very English and this is what's still interesting about shoes to me. They're a vernacular of sorts, you can dress like you're somewhere else or as samey as everywhere else but shoes keep you in geographic place, reveal the visitors and tourists even on a micro level of who is from the burbs and who actually resides in the inner city. Brits are, how to say this politely, a bit different about footwear than the rest of Europe and it's quite an easy marker of British tourists. I keep off of the shoe threads on here for a reason, vive le difference and all that.

I think I am lucky in terms of place and that I cycle most places so I don't have to be all that practical about them. I've also found they last long because of that so I can easily cycle them and wear them in new ways over many many years (with a few reparations). Some overly serious fashion teenage boy on the street went all gaga over my Isabel Marant wedge trainers when I recently decided to revive those again (must have had them for over a decade now), apparently they're some rare special edition (probably should look after them better Blush).

But I have difficult feet with high arches and they're prone to blisters too so I've never really had a choice of cheap footwear and my mother and grandmother were rather obsessive about good quality footwear from when I could walk. I've yet to find a shoe that doesn't require breaking in so I've always persevered and I know which brands are worth it and which aren't. I'm sometimes lucky in Mango or Zara when they have leather shoes made in Spain or Portugal. Occasionally &Other Stories and Arket.

Pricing is a bit of a conundrum, it's like most other aspects of fashion these days, there's a lot of high street affordable of varying quality (but overall hit rate will be low), then a sparse middle (that's probably around your £200 mark, shoes not boots) where quality is still variable but you're not getting a substantially better shoe. The top end splits in two, fashion shoes can be extortionate but not fit for purpose beyond a photo shoot or a party. Then there's the quality dull stuff but a lot aren't really worth their asking price either as manufactured in China and I suspect the leather isn't European either. There's some interesting direct to consumer brands but I've been disappointed in their design/finish a lot, they lack the finesse that makes a shoe droolworthy and overcome any sticker shock. As for sizing, hmm, not sure I have a very popular size so there's just as much scarcity. I always see loads of the smallest and largest sizes in TKmaxx and places like that, I know the one on Oxford Street had loads of gold label brand shoes. Although is an 8 41 or 42, if the latter then, yes, you're probably sized out of 98% of shops. I think Aeyde carries a size 42, used to be a DTC brand but are sold elsewhere now, medium price range.

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microbius · 13/01/2022 13:26

Thank you for a detailed answer! It's interesting you still got and were lucky with some shoes in Arket and other high street. I abandoned any attempts at buying such things. I am probably wrong and should try but how do you know "when they have leather shoes made in Spain".

Interesting how shoes reveal the country / place of origin to you;
On one trip on the tube recently, I saw:
Germans (looked like tourists) dressed as English bankers off duty, to the minutiae
Japanese Lolita-gore women
Fashion students in fantastic outfits
You obviously get people going into corporate offices

My problem is I need to do a lot of walking (to nursery, 15 min each way), to campus (20 min each way); so ability to do so is key. Winter boots and sandals that look good and can do so are available, especially now when chunky is in fashion. But demi-season, I wouldn't mind interestingly looking stable block heels but can't see anything good at the moment.

Shoe sizing is so weird, I fit 41 EU, but 41 can be anything from roomy to tiny. Of originally expensive shoes I only have old Marni sandals and they are 41

You should hold on to those Isabel Marant wedge trainers - could be your pension :)

I had a look at Aeyde shoes, I quite like some. Which brings us to the old question of pointy toe. Can't get excited about their loafers

botemp · 13/01/2022 13:31

In your place I'd be looking at trainers, they've pretty much booted out the need for trans seasonal shoes for most people and there's a whole lot more variety to them these days.

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microbius · 13/01/2022 14:00

Thanks, bo, any in particular you like or find interesting? [you don't have to respond]

In terms of observing the nations and their shoes. I once went to a lecture by a French professor; I remember it was very good but as years went by I have no recollection of what it was about, but I do remember her boots. Quite high heel, taupe-beige suede, quite narrow and shapely [failing to find words to describe the boot]. The same very boots, or at least looking very similar I saw a few years later on a [English] mother of a friend of my son. I don't want to do women-bashing but she was one of the most vacuous women I've ever met. So this is your style transfer from French to English. I can't imagine wearing such boots, I'd be too self-aware and awkward around my [poor] artists and academics -friends. Somehow in London they signal wealth whereas in Paris I imagine they would look quite normal