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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.

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botemp · 16/08/2021 13:29

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Redandblue11 · 25/10/2021 21:25

Thank you xing but it definitely isn’t the type of thing mr Red would wear (such a shame)
Oh, and thanks for the views on that coat … yes that definitely will swamp me.

banivani · 26/10/2021 08:38

Forgot to say I really liked Shrike's style there, and enjoyed the article about SdB, thanks Bob (unconventional my hole, but we are all members of society no matter how much we fancy ourselves outsiders)!

My J+ shirt: As you remember the battle to buy anything in the J+ collection was fierce. I got this shirt and the hoodie and joggers (both of which went back, I'm too fat for them apparently Angry). The problem with the hoodie might have been partly that the a-line style can look a little girlish so on me I felt a bit dress-up, like I was aiming for some sort of kawaii thing, and with my wrinkles and grey hairs I felt wrong! But it's def worth a go. And Molly I find sizing a challenge too - by Uniqlo's size guides nothing should fit me there, but they clearly do, except it's not predictable. Tops - fine. Trousers - sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Anyway the shirt... I got the blue one, and they seem to have the same shade of blue in one of the models this season (the Supima Cotton Grandad Collar Shirt). It's not a blue I'd normally get, and I'm not sure it's the best blue on me. Anyway I kept it, and then I sort of regretted it. I didn't wear it a lot and was considering selling it. This autumn though I've had it on several times and each time I'm enjoying the shape of it more and more and find it very pleasing. So if you like shirts it's def worth having a go I'd say. I'd be inclined to say that the striped ones wouldn't feel office-y, more "I'm home from the office and have taken my jacket and tie off". The difference is subtle, but there. Possibly also it'd feel a bit Jay McInerney Bright Lights Big City Wink (in which the main character wears her shag partners' business shirts with leggings because 80s).

However, my gripes with it are that sweat stains show up REALLY well, it seems to get dirty from nothing, and the colour seems to be fading fast along the seam edges, plackets, collar. Even though I wash it so so carefully to preserve it, it still needs to be washed after every wear almost because of said attraction to stains.

I'm still looking at the ones out now because I've been enjoying the shape so much. The colour palette is so limited though. I don't want white, I don't fancy stripes.

Linen in winter, Red - sure why couldn't you wear a linen shirt in winter, like your ancestors did? Incidentally my folk costume interest brought me down the real rabbit hole of traditional Irish clothing of the léine and the brat, the stuff the English outlawed. I'm fascinated by this, because basically you have men wearing a very voluminous yellow ankle length linen shirt, hoiked up to knee length, and nothing else. In Irish weather! They did wear a cloak, yes yes, the brat, which was so weather proof the English forbade it and at the same time bought them for their troops, but no shoes and bare legs. In Ireland! All year round! Well, if linen worked in all weathers then I'm planning to wear it in all weathers now.

Floisme · 26/10/2021 09:11

Any Velvet Underground fans, or anyone just curious about them, I recommend Todd Haynes' new documentary. First 20 minutes are a bit ropey, but once he stops trying to be avant-garde and just lets people tell their stories, it's terrific. I hadn't listened to their music for many years and it still sounded amazing - and freaky. They'd be cancelled these days for sure.

Thanks for the +J shirt tips, bani. I find cotton does show sweat more than linen and also, um.... absorbs it. And I'll definitely be saving up that traditional Irish clothing story for retelling. I imagine old school linen - not the stuff Sainsbury's make their trousers from but the proper heavweight stuff - would be pretty sturdy in bad weather. Well let's face it, human beings were more weather resistant then weren't they?

XingMing · 26/10/2021 09:39

Gosh, not one but two trips down Memory Lane and Nostalgia Road this morning... Bright Lights, Big City was embarrassingly close to my NY life: I knew everywhere Jay McInerney went, and I have the very first edition still sat on my bookshelf. And Velvet Underground too... but by the time I moved there the Factory had gone a bit uptown-ish and it was Max's Kansas City (now a supermarket). I do have the first Velvets album (on CD) in the car, and the original Transformer on LP, plus the Laurie Andersen LP made just before she married Lou Reed (RIP). And John Cale (post-Velvets) at the Union in Bristol about 75/76: his version of Heartbreak Hotel was screechingly wonderful. Not sure where that might have ended up though! So thank you Flo, I'll find that doc.

botemp · 26/10/2021 09:45

I'm not sure they were more weather resistant, Flo, just that the ones that weren't died...

I'm half tempted to make our next title 'Les Parisiennes de Mamansnet: are cancelled', it would significantly up our cachet at this point 🤣

Thanks for reminding me of 'Glass House' by Hadley Freeman BTW, it was on my pile but got pulled up and I absolutely love it, such a fascinating interwoven history. Has it been optioned yet, it would make a great miniseries?

+J sizing, eurgh, don't get me started. It's big but annoyingly the height of the model they work to drops with sizing. Per my measurements I should wear their XXS but I'm too tall for it, at 5"4 I never thought I'd say that about anything, except maybe competitive gymnastics Confused

My trousers should arrive today and I've just made an appointment for the Dries van Noten sample sale in Antwerp in mid November. Keeping fingers crossed they're not shutting down the borders before then 😬

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XingMing · 26/10/2021 09:59

Yes, I meant to suggest, red, that you'd probably be better with a small for the hoodie.

Floisme · 26/10/2021 10:32

I think you'll have to find a real cinema to watch it at the moment Xing although I'm sure Netflix or Sky Arts will option it soon enough. But worth it if you can get there, especially when you have that New York connection. I didn't discover them until my first term at uni - housemate had the banana album - by which time they'd been split for several years, but I still remember the first time I heard it and feeling I'd fallen into a parallel universe.

Redandblue11 · 26/10/2021 10:37

Antwerp sample sales in November…. Very tempting…
I will watch that documentary too Flo, thanks for the tip.

banivani · 26/10/2021 11:10

Fingers crossed for your sample sales!

I have zero relationship to Velvet Underground. So little it's almost comical. To me it's just a name.

Can't believe you are Bright Lights Big City, Xing! :O

banivani · 26/10/2021 11:29

Oh, speaking of being cancelled (which I love as a title for next thread) - I esp thought Flo might enjoy this little gem I found on a blog while reading about léinte and bratanna, as a comment on English 16th century writers calling the Irish barbarous and wild etc: [Not sure how much we should care about the opinions of] "genocidal maniacs with a penchant for unattainable queens". That's something you wouldn't want to float by AIBU anytime soon. Wink

XingMing · 26/10/2021 11:34

Not any more, bani*, but those were my haunts in the early-mid 80s. Bit of a lightweight with regard to the Bolivian Marching Powder.

botemp · 26/10/2021 11:38

"genocidal maniac with a penchant for unattainable queens" sounds like a Tinder bio Grin

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Floisme · 26/10/2021 11:39

I dare you to re-tweet that bani Grin

I now feel the need to re-read Jay McInerney (while looking out for Xing Wink)

banivani · 26/10/2021 16:00

@XingMing

Not any more, bani*, but those were my haunts in the early-mid 80s. Bit of a lightweight with regard to the Bolivian Marching Powder.
Probably for the best!
banivani · 26/10/2021 16:00

Oh, and luckily I don't twitter ;)

botemp · 28/10/2021 09:38

I'm losing track of time, my Dries trousers came in Tuesday, I think, and I'm glad I ordered two sizes as the pattern is just a little too cramped together in the crotch area of my size. Luckily the larger size has these little buttons on a strap with multiple button holes (bad description, I know) on the internal waist that allows you to make it smaller. I've seen this in children's clothes before and always wondered why adult clothes don't have them. It works a treat but there is a bit of gathering at the back. I think taking a bit in on the centre back should fix that issue.

Trousers are great, if a bit loud, but I'm rather enjoying that with dreary winter outlooks at the moment. They work really well with trainers so can easily be worn casually and with heels for my more dressed up idea. I did wonder why there were so many sizes left at such a low price but seeing as I'll only need to take them in 2cm for height I'm guessing that's the reason why.

Same day, a Vinted purchase, attached snood (it's more of a beige though), I'd almost forgotten about came in (I picked the environmentally friendly option which basically means it takes forever to get here). Anyhow it was a bit of a gamble buy, I know the brand (Lauren Manoogian) does beautiful knitwear, lovely high quality fibres, handmade in Peru, fits in with that one percenter aesthetic, etc. But the seller only wanted €5 for it so I assumed it was either ruined somehow by washing or bobbling which potentially could be fixed with effort or she has no idea what she was selling.

Anyhow, it's the latter, but it's even better than I imagined. Gorgeous baby alpaca with weight to it and it works great with oversized coats (where a full scarf can look a bit much sometimes) and it also works with turning some jumpers into roll necks for me.

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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
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Redandblue11 · 28/10/2021 11:09

Yes I agree Bo I wish they did those buttons at the waist in adult clothes more often , I have a pair of emin and Paul chinos who have them.

I love snoods, and I favour them too when scarfs feel too bulky. I did not know that brand … sounds a great buy. I am looking at some Joshua Ellis scarfs on eBay , they have a few new, last year I got a yellow one that I wear loads.

My açai trousers have arrived, they should keep me toasty on those winter walks, they still look good with a jumper and don’t look like I have been rambling in outdoor gear (no offence). We plan to go to Scotland for the new year (if they let us…) , the size is true to size, but as they are skinny and I don’t like the feel of tight clothing I am keeping the slightly bigger one (size 30), I also got a pair Forrest green thermal leggings I am keeping the S which is a 8-10 size. The photo here is lighter than real life the colour is deeper.

I love the idea of colourful trousers Bo.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
ShrikeAttack · 28/10/2021 20:15

I'm a little bit 'relaxed', have been out with very stylish friend chatting about recent threads where posters speak about experiences of being beautiful or "ugly'.

I don't relate to that. My experience of womanhood and style is about confidence. I really want women to feel absolutely confident. Looks are secondary.

And I post photos of myself on MN all the bloody time. Not because I adore myself, but because I feel very comfortable about myself. And I don't think enough women feel happy and relaxed about themselves.

ShrikeAttack · 28/10/2021 20:16

And my Ginzas ate still in the box!!

ShrikeAttack · 28/10/2021 20:26

They sent me the wrong shoe.

It's black, not black and burgundy.

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
ShrikeAttack · 28/10/2021 20:33

Oki

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
ShrikeAttack · 28/10/2021 22:09

I've taken the wrong shoe. It's ok.

ToEllewithIt · 29/10/2021 09:27

Looks like a great night shrike Hope the ginzas were comfortable.

While I do think that confidence makes a huge difference and I truly think that anyone can be stylish I do think that both are easier if you’re conventionally attractive. I frequently have to ask myself – do I like that outfit because of the clothes or because it’s being worn by a thin / beautiful person. I have seen threads where posters explain their experience of being plain and are constantly shot down with a barrage of “everyone is beautiful” and “nice people are beautiful” and I think that’s really patronising too. It’s fairly obvious that attractiveness is a continuum and while some are at the top, some must inevitably be at the bottom. It’s not fair to invalidate the experiences of those who are telling people what’s it’s like to not be conventionally attractive in a society that values it so much. I definitely notice it as I age being fairly plain of face. My height, figure and youth meant that I would have been perceived as more attractive when younger and can feel that I’m slipping down society’s “curve”. Not that I give a shite, I’m more comfortable in myself than I’ve ever been and I love continuing to explore my style.

I don’t think posting pictures is a sign of vanity at all, I think it’s a sign of being comfortable with who you are and that’s great (unless it’s one of those stupid "guess how old I am" threads). More pictures on the thread please!

Pictures of the loud trousers please botemp - my love for statement Dries trousers is well documented.

I like the J+ bag. It reminds me of the Celine sac sangle I think. The Celine is on my wish list so I think I’ll hang on for it. Nothing else is really grabbing me. I do like the shape of the double face skirt, but I’ve no need for it right now. I found the sizing quite generous last time. I ordered mediums and had to switch to small.

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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Do not ask the kock about les préservatifs in the food.
Floisme · 29/10/2021 10:53

Looking good Shrike - that's a mighty fine drinks cabinet you've got there too! I'm confused about the Ginzas - are they the wrong colour but you've decided they're ok?

Confidence hmm. I agree it's partly tied in with attractiveness (I'm talking strictly style confidence here in case it's not clear). But, if that's all it's based on, then it's going to be a very fragile thing that'll evaporate the moment anything happens to your looks, in which case maybe it wasn't really confidence in the first place? That's as far as I've got.

I've finally finished making the customised Merchant and Mills trousers - adding side pockets to the side zip. Not a roaring success I'm afraid. The trouser shape's great - really like it. I botched up the zip a bit but then I expected that - I never did get the hang of them. It's the side pockets I'm most disappointed with; they looked ok at first but I mustn't have secured them properly because by the end of the day they'd kind of slipped so the pocket bag was visible. I'll take a photo later if you want to see the damage. I might get away with it if the pocket bags were the same fabric as the trousers but I used lining fabric to avoid bulk.

botemp · 29/10/2021 11:37

Is this about the pretty privilege thread, as I ignored that as those mostly descend into posters claiming they're ridiculously beautiful and all women are mean to them and ugly people don't know how good they have it...

I think beauty is much like other things in life like money, intelligence, etc. It has a steep climbing curve at the start where having more of it rapidly improves your quality of life and potential happiness but there's a place where it plateaus and it adds little more and then there's a rare group where it takes a nosedive and it hinders more than anything but IME of extremely beautiful people who struggle to be recognised as anything else tend not to be the people as described above. They're more the I prefer the company of animals over humans type which incidentally the ones who didn't win the genetic lottery also tend to be. It's that shoehorn effect.

I think we underestimate how quickly that plateau is reached, generally, having some of it is often more beneficial than people realise and it's also why the beauty industry exists, they can create the suggestion of some of it with promises of more. I also think we very much underestimate how much we have of it, I would never describe Elle as plain of face at all, nor would I describe myself as particularly attractive (just the conventional sort) but random strangers comment on it regardless and I assume they just want something from me, it's not even tied to lack of confidence I just assume they have low standards and casting a wide net.

Beauty can very much be a soft power, so can a hot body but the latter depreciates much quicker, but neither is an appreciated power in women so I feel we all subconsciously downgrade ourselves because owning it isn't very beneficial, mostly. I'm not blind to that I have some of it either, and I'm vain and not eager to let go of any of it. I do get better treatment sometimes but it's not always clear where that's coming from, there's always multiple factors.

I don't know what the posting of pictures=vanity is about. I'm sure it is a seeking of external validation for some and could be an involuntary compulsive thing so I don't automatically assume the worst of their character. For me personally, I'm cautious about data and that includes my face, I don't want it to be lifted and used in some bot army wielded by oppressive regimes or similar, or catfishing, etc. (or worse someone using it for a how old am I thread on MN 😱) but that's the entire internet and social media for me, I can get a bit tinfoil hat about it. I think on here people take the whole anonymous forum thing very seriously so stereotypical behaviour of other social media platforms can feel at odds with that?

Agree with you Flo about the style and confidence relationship, it's a balancing act, getting older and wiser helps.

I usually add a strip of self fabric at the pocket edges to avoid the issue you had. Could you handsew it in, maybe?

I love that Céline bag too Elle, I'm just too short for it to work proportionally. I did always like a very oversized related version (attached) which probably would work better for me as it's ridiculously oversized enough to seem intentional. I think it was called twisted XL or something. It didn't have a long run (think it was a men's bag) and most secondhand versions I find are a bit too beaten up and scuffed at the corners.

Weather has been cloudy so not great for pictures but it's sunny today, I'll try and get pictures today, but the Dries trousers also need an iron so it may not happen.

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