Lips - is this what people are aspiring to these days?

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An old boyfriend has shared photos to advertise a friend's beauty salon. I know I'm not their target audience, but I'm still shocked that this is what women are supposedly looking for these days.
I do get that if you have thin lips it'd be nice to have them plumped up a bit. But these are so clearly fake.
Am I just an old fuddy-Duddy with no idea?

It doesn't even look like a real person. It looks like a sex toy, why would anyone want to look like a fleshlight?

I do get that if you have thin lips it'd be nice to have them plumped up a bit

My lips are on the thin-side, and I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to get my lips plumped up a bit. I’m still scarred by the Leslie Ash debacle tbh. And I think they generally look filled.

[quote SummaLuvin]@BeforetheFlood if you don't get the point then I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

A previous poster implied that their comments could not be hurtful as the woman was unidentifiable so therefore no-one was targeted, I disagree. The point is that you cannot mock a feature someone has in isolation (whether natural or not) you mock everyone with that same feature. I used weight as an example as thats what we seem most commonly in the news/social media, people merrily mock Boris Johnsons weight, while seeming blissfully unaware their comments are hurtful to their overweight friends.

I also disagree that making cruel comments about someone's appearance is fine as long as what you are targeting is 'unnatural', but this thread clearly shows I am in the minority there.[/quote]
If you've chosen to have your lips filled it's absolutely not the same as mocking anyone's natural features. It's just the same as thinking blue hair looks daft or tattoos do.

@SummaLuvin

sorry I must have missed the etiquette class where it's taught that, providing it isn't naturally occurring, mocking other people appearance is fair game.

I fully agree that there is serious issues with lack of regulation and that insecurities are preyed on. I'm not suggesting everyone should like the way it looks. I am merely pointing out that creating a thread and commenting where the only purpose is to put other people down is unkind. And if your point is that it is these women are insecure then I don't really see what putting them down further is going to do for their self esteem.

Many of us have expressed concern that women are doing this to themselves. And there's nothing wrong whatsoever with us doing that. My question is why. Why do women feel the need to appear freakish? I don't think anyone in a normal healthy place will choose to have an abnormally large bum full of implants. Why do women want abnormally large lips? It's pornography and the pressure of social media and photoshoppng/filters.

This isn't about etiquette, we aren't talking about which fork to put where or how to address a duchess, this is about the objectification of women. And if commenting on a forum about how awful it looks stops someone from mutilating their faces in this way it, that's a bloody good job.

@lazylinguist I think you know as well as I do that if I created a thread with the title "Dresses and leggings are frumpy AF" then I would get immediately shouted down for being agist, this forum would not accept it. That's different to creating a thread like "Do dresses and leggings age me?". Having a negative opinion on extreme lip fillers and making a thread with the aim of mocking are two quite different things in my opinion.

I really don't understand the perspective so many people carry here that being unkind about the way lip fillers look is fine because they are an unnatural enhancement - fake or not it's still someones face.

Looks like a gaping labia

@youngandbroken

Beauty standards do change constantly but plastic surgery, fillers and other body modifications are becoming more and more accessible now and so I think these trends will continue for a while. I was described as having very delicate features by someone (in other words I have no lips, thin eyebrows, no curves, paler than a sheet of paper and nothing particularly striking about me) and am the total opposite to every popular trend at the moment and I do feel really insecure about myself - I think alot of women do and I worry for my daughters growing up because I think the beauty standards are likely to become more extreme as body modification becomes even more accessible.

Please don’t think that. I think the prettiest women of the world are the ones described as delicate. You are so lucky. I mean look at basically any chic French or Italian woman.

I think conversation around this is a good thing tbh. Making people feel like shit obviously isn’t, but fillers shouldn’t be normalised to the extent that people feel they have to have them to fit a certain mould, and unfortunately I think that’s been the case for many (young women in particular).

@minipie

Sex doll chic. Niiiice

Quite. 🤢

Blow up dolls have pouting mouths slightly open ready for a nice tight blow job

I don’t know any men that think this is attractive...

When did it become so terrible to voice an opinion?

It's okay to say that something isn't to your taste, it's okay to say something looks frumpy/unnatural/tacky or whatever - it's just an opinion, no? I love fashion and have fielded many a comment about some of my more outlandish outfit choices - they are entitled to say they dislike what I wear just as much as I am entitled to love it! Part of the rich tapestry of life imo.

Can this sort of thing be reversed? I have no clue what the women are going to do if the next fashionable style is thin lips
Do you just have to wait for it to dispersed into your body, or do they get it syphoned out!!

@BusySittingDown

Everyone looks like Pete Burns nowadays.

I’m finding watching love island alarming for this reason. So many lovely female faces defaced in the name of so called beauty. It’s tragic and makes me glad I don’t have a daughter. They are on a par with heavily tattooed eyebrows. Just no.

@SummaLuvin

sorry I must have missed the etiquette class where it's taught that, providing it isn't naturally occurring, mocking other people appearance is fair game.

I fully agree that there is serious issues with lack of regulation and that insecurities are preyed on. I'm not suggesting everyone should like the way it looks. I am merely pointing out that creating a thread and commenting where the only purpose is to put other people down is unkind. And if your point is that it is these women are insecure then I don't really see what putting them down further is going to do for their self esteem.

Yep here we go again.

Really handy for unblocking the toilet I would imagine.

[quote SummaLuvin]@BeforetheFlood if you don't get the point then I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

A previous poster implied that their comments could not be hurtful as the woman was unidentifiable so therefore no-one was targeted, I disagree. The point is that you cannot mock a feature someone has in isolation (whether natural or not) you mock everyone with that same feature. I used weight as an example as thats what we seem most commonly in the news/social media, people merrily mock Boris Johnsons weight, while seeming blissfully unaware their comments are hurtful to their overweight friends.

I also disagree that making cruel comments about someone's appearance is fine as long as what you are targeting is 'unnatural', but this thread clearly shows I am in the minority there.[/quote]
Oh no, I get the point. I just don't agree with it.

I don't think that pushing back against a porn-soaked society that pressures young women to look like sex dolls is unkind. Quite the opposite. And I don't think that pushback - against a fad for artificial (expensive) cosmetic enhancement - and shaming women for their natural bodies is remotely comparable.

@Zengarden001 I accept I am in the minority but comments like the below and others on this thread go way beyond voicing an opinion and into the realms of cruel.

Looks like a gaping labia
Really handy for unblocking the toilet I would imagine.
Sex doll chic. Niiiice
It doesn't even look like a real person.

@Miseryisabutterfly I agree conversions around fillers are important but I haven't seen much of that on this thread. Various phasing of how horrible it looks and how people can't believe girls are doing this, but not a lot of discussions on the root of the problems and how to fix them. No government petitions to make them regulated linked, no pressure groups people can take part in mentioned... This thread is doing sweet FA to tackle a very real problem, and intend mocking the victims of it.

Totally agree with all of this:

I don't think that pushing back against a porn-soaked society that pressures young women to look like sex dolls is unkind. Quite the opposite. And I don't think that pushback - against a fad for artificial (expensive) cosmetic enhancement - and shaming women for their natural bodies is remotely comparable.

[quote SummaLuvin]@BeforetheFlood if you don't get the point then I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

A previous poster implied that their comments could not be hurtful as the woman was unidentifiable so therefore no-one was targeted, I disagree. The point is that you cannot mock a feature someone has in isolation (whether natural or not) you mock everyone with that same feature. I used weight as an example as thats what we seem most commonly in the news/social media, people merrily mock Boris Johnsons weight, while seeming blissfully unaware their comments are hurtful to their overweight friends.

I also disagree that making cruel comments about someone's appearance is fine as long as what you are targeting is 'unnatural', but this thread clearly shows I am in the minority there.[/quote]
But it’s not a feature - they could simply stop overdoing the lip filler, get it dissolved and redone in a subtle way and their “feature” would go away. And they should do this because it’s bloody awful, disfiguring and doesn’t ever look good except in the most subtle of ways with a tiny amount of filler to create a natural look or restore lost fullness due to age. I don’t think we are doing young women a service to pretend that lips pumped way too full with filler look nice? I shudder to think what they’ll look like in 20 years - I have friends who have to continue with the filler because they’ll deflate if they stop now. I’m totally on board with Botox, profhilo, subtle fillers etc - but these sorts of lips are really bad.

[quote SummaLuvin]@BeforetheFlood if you don't get the point then I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

A previous poster implied that their comments could not be hurtful as the woman was unidentifiable so therefore no-one was targeted, I disagree. The point is that you cannot mock a feature someone has in isolation (whether natural or not) you mock everyone with that same feature. I used weight as an example as thats what we seem most commonly in the news/social media, people merrily mock Boris Johnsons weight, while seeming blissfully unaware their comments are hurtful to their overweight friends.

I also disagree that making cruel comments about someone's appearance is fine as long as what you are targeting is 'unnatural', but this thread clearly shows I am in the minority there.[/quote]
To an extent, I disagree with your point about mocking a modified feature that a woman has chosen to have. I think the procedures themselves should be ridiculed rather than the individual mocked. Ridiculed very strongly in the hope that young women may be saved from permanently disfiguring their bodies before they are able to understand the implication of long term damage and pain.

I have lip fillers, person that does mine says some women actually ask to look like blow up dolls!
It will pass

It's such a terrible shame that young people feel they need to make themselves look this way, plumped and swollen beyond realistic possibilities. I wonder if the deliberately fake look is desirable because it's a form of conspicuous consumption - they want people to know they spend on themselves and are high
maintenance/expensive. Who knows?

I wonder if the deliberately fake look is desirable because it's a form of conspicuous consumption - they want people to know they spend on themselves and are high
maintenance/expensive. Who knows?

Back in the day, it used to be a really nice handbag in these parts. That and a ‘do’ from a fancy salon.

I don’t think anyone even had surgery. But you’d cracked it if you had a posh handbag and a spiral perm.