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Bananasinpyjamas21 · 15/06/2021 12:39

If anyone wants it, and just wants to vent or get advice, feel free to post how you are getting on as a step mum. Summer holidays are coming up and this can be a tricky time for step mums.

I used to post on these boards a lot for advice, as I had a really difficult time as a step mum. I’ve got a much better perspective now. I know it’s hard for step kids too, and much of the problems lie with our husbands.

I had three DSDs who are now all in their 20s. We had one child together, and I have an older son. My marriage collapsed because of the stress, mainly due to one older DSDs resentment, his Exes resentment and DH not handling it well at all and blaming me for all. I made many mistakes, the biggest of which was moving into the ‘family home’. Never doing that again. Confused I just remember how hard it was, so if anyone else is going through it… feel free to share. Flowers

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 20/06/2021 16:09

And I agree Stepmonster was a good read. If only because it gave me “permission” to take a step back, not try to blend things and to have the relationship I want, not the one everyone else expects me to have (although the one I actually want wouldn’t be quite like this, it’s the best we can do with the circumstances we have!)

My DP said something the other day which made me realise he’s been painting me as his own ‘step mum’ (he’d never call her that, she was just dads GF for 30 years) and that’s why I’d never win in this situation - I was being cast in a role I’d never applied for!

My parents were together and even worked together all their life. I had a similar set up with XH at one point - so I’m obviously trying to recreate a closeness that is familiar to me, while DP is keeping me at arms length so that I don’t steal him away from his kids and make his life miserable like he clearly thinks his dads GF did! Family dynamics are fascinating really.

Starseeking · 20/06/2021 16:14

Thanks @FishyFriday.

To be honest I wish I'd known about the step-parenting board before I got involved with my EXDP. I came to it out of desperation liking for advice on the internet. Up until I turned 30, I'd always avoided men with DC after hearing about nightmare EXDW's.

When I met my EXDP, he appeared to have a good relationship with his EXDW. I didn't start spending proper time with his DC until 1 year in, and we were getting ready to move in together. That's the point at which his EXDW turned, and of course I was smitten by that point.

I initially followed the classic stepmother path of trying to be a second mum to his DS, treating him as if he were my own, and trying to navigate the tightrope of not overstepping (but only according to the invisible rules EXDP and his EXDW had separately set in their heads).

I had a good relationship with my EXDSS, however my EXDP was most aggrieved that I didn't roll out the red carpet for his DSS on every visit, despite him insisting his DSS as equally as he lived with us same as at his DMs (with an EOW schedule this equates to 4 days at ours in every 30).

If I'd have known what I know now, I'd probably have walked away in the early days of dating.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 20/06/2021 16:17

You know someone has kids, but the fucked up dynamics of blended families are not something you generally anticipate because you've assumed that everyone will be operating on some version of 'normal'

Such a perfect retort to “you knew he had kids when you decided to have a relationship with him”!

Yes of course we all knew that, but 10 years ago we didn’t know exactly how useless their mum would turn out to be, that his 50/50 would turn into 100/0 and that my 80/20 would also turn into 100/0 and that we’d both be the default parents of 5 teens with very different personalities and needs!

Starseeking · 20/06/2021 16:17

I'm adamant that I'm not blending with anyone new until my DC have grown up.

I can afford to run my own house, and I refuse to entertain a man who is unable to finance and maintain his own house (I read a nightmare thread yesterday on MN yesterday about a cocklodging DP wanting his partners parents to fund a 4 bedroom house so his DC could have their own bedroom Confused).

sassbott · 20/06/2021 17:57

@Starseeking can we form a support group? As I am in completely 100% agreement with you!

FishyFriday · 20/06/2021 18:00

My DP said something the other day which made me realise he’s been painting me as his own ‘step mum’ (he’d never call her that, she was just dads GF for 30 years) and that’s why I’d never win in this situation - I was being cast in a role I’d never applied for!

Oh. Two of us then. 😩

It's definitely not easy when you are being blamed for things you didn't even do. And that were probably displacement of anger at his parents even at the time.

MachineBee · 20/06/2021 18:11

So many of the situations outlined by PPs could apply to me. My DSCs were all at primary and secondary school when I met their DF. All fine for first 4 years when I wasn’t living with their DF, but things changed when I moved in,then things got really bad when we moved to our own bigger house (so everyone had own bedrooms). Took my DH a long time to accept that permissive parenting did no one any favours.

All came to a head when his DSC2 got into difficulties with a relationship and suddenly his Ex tried to blame me for it when she was the one allowing stay-outs-all-night without anyone knowing where DSC2 was, turning a blind eye to casual drug and alcohol use and the more insidious poor table manners, not helping around the home, bad language etc.

After following her narrative for years, I finally left him to enjoy a Xmas with them alone (I spent it with my DCs, DF and DSis). When I got back his DSCs had behaved appallingly (no different to how they behaved when I was there from what I could see) but this time I wasn’t there to blame. The scales fell from his eyes and he realised how bad things actually were.

That was the point when he finally started to set some boundaries, called out his Ex on the more wild accusations levelled at me and generally started to actually parent his kids. It was not plain sailing, there were a lot of tantrums (from the DSCs) and he’s still got a lot to do to mend his relationships with them all, but it is getting better, little by little.

They are all adults now, we will never be close but at least the limited times we are in the same space things are (mostly) civil.

Interestingly, DH has excellent relationships with my DCs and DGC - there were a few hiccups in the early years (my DCs were at Uni when I met DH) - but problems were always dealt with as they arose and my DCs understood rudeness and bad behaviour towards him was unacceptable.

All kids need love and boundaries. Parents that provide them are helping their offspring the most, regardless of whether they have parents who live in the same home.

FishyFriday · 20/06/2021 18:22

@Starseeking

I'm adamant that I'm not blending with anyone new until my DC have grown up.

I can afford to run my own house, and I refuse to entertain a man who is unable to finance and maintain his own house (I read a nightmare thread yesterday on MN yesterday about a cocklodging DP wanting his partners parents to fund a 4 bedroom house so his DC could have their own bedroom Confused).

I think that's fair.

I was mostly saying that it's not necessarily a potential dating pool of divorced dads. Not by any means. In fact, when I was doing OLD, the man I married was one of only 2 matches I had who had kids. There were plenty of men without children out there. I'm sure some percentage of them are decent people. 😂

But, if my husband and I split up, then I am most definitely staying single. My life would be easier and happier for it. Or just fun dating in my weekends off but with no expectation of living together or anything.

If I'd known what this would be like, I'd have swiped left years ago and saved myself the stress and hurt. If we took the step parenting out of the equation, I love my husband. He's got many wonderful qualities. But he's extremely hard work as a NRP and full of unresolved issues from his parents' divorce never mind his own.

The thing that really gets me is that my parents divorced, much more acrimoniously than his did. My mum is still bitter (possibly with more reason than MIL who received generous spousal maintenance and her ex bought her a house, while my dad paid no maintenance and my mum worked 4 jobs - one FT - to pay a 1990s mortgage). My dad objectively treated my sister and I badly, whereas my husband's seems to have done what he could to be a decent enough NRP (including relocating hundreds of miles and changing jobs because MIL chose to move). I have managed to process the breakup of a previous relationship and no longer living FT with my children. I have worked hard (FT all my adult life) to build a career and buy myself and my children a house etc (unlike my husband's ex who intends never to work again and said as much to him). My ex treated me much worse than his ex possibly could have, but I still manage to have a reasonable coparenting relationship with him for the good of DS.

Why does he get to cast me as the villain in his crappy soap opera and expect sympathy while I have to just put up and shut up?

If I'd known all this, I'd have run a mile!

Starseeking · 20/06/2021 18:25

Yes, haha!

Here is the thread @sassbott, happy reading!

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4270438-am-i-being-unfair-buying-a-house-without-dp

StarryNight468 · 20/06/2021 19:01

@MarkRuffaloCrumble - I bet you feel great detaching!

I'm happy with myself - today I went out to my friends with my dc and left dh and dss to it for a few hours. I came back and cooked dh the fathers day meal he wanted, when my dss took 2.5 hours to eat the meal and complained the whole way through, I just left the room after i finished eating and cracked on with my own thing. My dc very pointedly said thank you very loudly to me and dh came and gave me a kiss and a thank you. Literally I don't need to hear the complaining, it's not my kid (who wouldn't ever be so rude even if they didn't love what I cooked) so it's not my problem.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 20/06/2021 20:24

Not my circus. Not my monkeys.

The mantra every step mum needs to live by!

Bananasinpyjamas21 · 21/06/2021 00:17

Some very wise advice on this thread! I love the quote that You know someone has kids, but the fucked up dynamics of blended families are not something you generally anticipate because you've assumed that everyone will be operating on some version of 'normal' exactly right!

I totally understand the detaching / never wanting to be in a blended family. I naively thought although difficult, we could gain something all of us. I was determined not to make the mistakes my step parents had. Totally blew up anyway! And totally agree @FishyFriday the father ‘being caught in the middle’ is classic ‘no one look at me’.

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FishyFriday · 21/06/2021 07:38

Well done for prioritising and ignoring @StarryNight468. 😁

MachineBee · 21/06/2021 07:58

@FishyFriday - totally get where you’re coming from. Even now, it’s the double standards stepmums experience that so hard. I’m like you, if I’d have really known what was coming, I’d not have gone out with a divorced dad with school age kids. I love my DH, but even with things in a better place, it’s been very hard and I’m always still worried what might blow up out of nowhere.

The ‘but you knew he had kids’ mantra is bollocks. Exactly as described earlier. As step mums we’re fighting eons of fairy tales and myths that always cast step mums as awful evil people.

FishyFriday · 21/06/2021 09:51

The evil stepmum story is just so hard. Not least because it so fundamentally shaped how we see ourselves.

Even where a stepmother has the best intentions and tries to do the right thing, her actions get filtered through the misogynistic stepmother story and she starts to believe this to be the truth of what happened.

You see this on this board regularly in relation to the very deeply entrenched idea that SMs are being deceitful and somehow trying to trick everyone to 'land their man' in the beginning. And how many women start holding their hands up and finding themselves guilty of it.

Rather than casting her as a nasty deceitful woman who pretends to be 'super stepmum' so she can dupe the poor, naive father and then, once she's got him, she can start plotting to get rid of the kids, maybe we might want to recognise that women try hard in the beginning ^because they have the best intentions'.

What actually happens is that a woman meets a man with children. She's a good person and she wants to do the right thing. Yes, it's the start of a relationship (or, often, it's now a well established relationship with him and it's time to try to build a relationship with his children) so there's an element of everyone putting their best self forward. The adults anyway.

But she is a good person and she is very aware of two strong cultural messages: 1. The children must always come first, and 2. Stepmothers are usually evil. She recognises that he has children, so she needs to go all in with trying to build a positive relationship with them, to put their needs first, to help him out with the wife work (because that's a third strong narrative about women's role in life). And she's determined that she IS a good person, so she definitely won't be one of those SMs who hate those precious children. She won't be cold and distant and horrible. She's not like that. She loves this man and she wants to love his children too.

No one is sitting there plotting to trick the poor hapless father and then usurp the children.

But what happens is that she tries really, really hard. The children aren't on board with this. They resent her and are hostile in various ways. The nicer she tries to be, the worse this seems to get. Adults around her suspect her motives and see her as some pathetic try hard desperate to get her man. She is trying to show everyone that she just is a good person who happens to love a man with children. And she wants to have a happy stepfamily where everyone loves one another.

As times goes on, the man takes all her efforts and wife work for granted. His fear-driven guilty dad parenting takes its toll on everyone in the household. The SM becomes the ideal scapegoat for everyone else to blame everything on. She becomes angry and resentful of this crap told she never asked for, and for all her good intentions being used against her. She withdraws but I'm doing so becomes that evil SM and therefore even more blameable. This erodes her sense of self in all sorts of ways.

She comes on MN and agrees with people that she was trying too hard because she must have been some desperate fool out to trick some poor man. She should have been more reserved and not tried to kid everyone she was super step mum.

But... then she'd have been cold and evil from the outset.

And still no one is looking at the role the man plays in driving this dynamic. We're all too busy blaming the SM. And she's blaming herself. What is wrong with her that she feels this way about children?

There's a completely unrelated thread in active convos at the moment that shows how deeply ingrained misogyny is even without the added SM crap. A woman burnt herself in a restaurant and her husband refused to even acknowledge the injury never mind helping her. Yet the thread is full of people claiming she's doe dreadful needy drama queen for wanting her husband to give a shit. It seems almost that she should be apologising for hurting herself and putting him in the dreadful position of having to purposefully ignore her. Must have really spoiled his meal, all the fuss she was making trying to deal with a painful burn.

That same weird misogyny runs through everything to do with stepmums. And it's so toxic. But it works really well to shift attention away from the fathers or even to generate sympathy for their plight.

StarryNight468 · 21/06/2021 10:54

Thank you @FishyFriday

And yes we are cast in the misogynistic evil step mum role - though our dhs are the root cause of our issues. It's very frustrating!

I am going to keep doing nice things for myself and count down the years to freedom. I feel awfully sad for the step parents who's dc are being hurt and their houses being trashed by sc - it does put my frustrations around answering back and spoiltness into perspective.

I think we have to grieve our picture of what we thought family life would be like too. I know I need to let go of the ideal that I wanted for us all. I wanted us to be like a nuclear family, I wanted to be a lovely step mum who dss liked and wanted to be around.

Bananasinpyjamas21 · 21/06/2021 11:12

Yes I think a lot of women are branded the OW automatically. Or a silly younger woman who just wants the man without the kids and so ignores them.

However these step parenting boards seem to be mostly full of the opposite. Women, like me, who often already have children. It was 5 years after their divorce that I met my DH. And we are the same age. And yet I am regularly treated as if I’m something to do the separation.

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Dollyparton3 · 21/06/2021 13:02

I've made this very simple for myself after being bullied by my step daughter using the "evil stepmum" tag.

I have a stepson who values our relationship and we've both worked hard to build it. My husband also has a daughter who threw years of hard work in my face. She doesn't get to call me stepmum anymore. I don't want her to. I'll now refer to myself as her father's wife when it comes to her.

The stepmum brand goes both ways and it should be a positive thing to have one. Not an insult to throw around like some sort of Disney reference whenever you're trying to get sympathy for behaving like an entitled dick

FishyFriday · 21/06/2021 13:22

@Bananasinpyjamas21

Yes I think a lot of women are branded the OW automatically. Or a silly younger woman who just wants the man without the kids and so ignores them.

However these step parenting boards seem to be mostly full of the opposite. Women, like me, who often already have children. It was 5 years after their divorce that I met my DH. And we are the same age. And yet I am regularly treated as if I’m something to do the separation.

Yes. The 'were you the OW?' Question. 😩

I think that for many of the SMs that post on here, the situation is very different to what people imagine. Very often it's the SM who is the 'good catch' - with a decent career, house, car, nice lifestyle, pension provision and so on. The NR father is often in a significantly worse position or certainly no better. Yet, apparently we're all desperate to get our man and all the spoils. 🙄

Certainly, my husband is financially much better off for having married me than he was before. He'd be renting while he tried to save up a deposit so he could buy a house again.

FishyFriday · 21/06/2021 13:25

I am going to keep doing nice things for myself and count down the years to freedom. I feel awfully sad for the step parents who's dc are being hurt and their houses being trashed by sc - it does put my frustrations around answering back and spoiltness into perspective.

I think your frustrations are perfectly legitimate. And I can see how they'd erode your quality of life.

Just because your SC aren't dealing drugs from your driveway or threatening you with knives, doesn't mean that you need to recognise how good you've got it!

You're definitely doing the right thing in putting your own needs and well-being first. We should all be doing that.

Tara336 · 21/06/2021 17:23

@FishyFriday you are absolutely spot on with everything you said. I have completely withdrawn from any contact with SC because I am the scapegoat and if I have no contact I can’t be accused of anything.

Tara336 · 21/06/2021 17:31

I was also much better off financially then STBH I was earning twice his salary, my own home (mortgage free) and driving a very nice car. He was living in rented accommodation and had been since he divorced but apparently I’m after his money! I think that’s an insult to us both tbh as they can’t believe I might love him? Why? What’s wrong with your DF? That no woman could possibly love him only his money?

FishyFriday · 21/06/2021 17:42

[quote Tara336]@FishyFriday you are absolutely spot on with everything you said. I have completely withdrawn from any contact with SC because I am the scapegoat and if I have no contact I can’t be accused of anything.[/quote]
Sadly I am still the villain if I withdraw and leave him to 'enjoy' his children. I'm being abusive by excluding them and denying them a relationship with their half brother.

He wants everything his way. He won't parent and try to improve their behaviour. But he won't accept what happens because he allows them to behave the way they do. 😩

FishyFriday · 21/06/2021 17:44

@Tara336

I was also much better off financially then STBH I was earning twice his salary, my own home (mortgage free) and driving a very nice car. He was living in rented accommodation and had been since he divorced but apparently I’m after his money! I think that’s an insult to us both tbh as they can’t believe I might love him? Why? What’s wrong with your DF? That no woman could possibly love him only his money?
Well my husband's ex was only ever interested in his money. I don't think she can imagine wanting to be with someone without looking to gain something. Sadly she's bringing up her children to see the world as she does. And Disney dad isn't offering a better way. He's pandering to it.
FishyFriday · 21/06/2021 17:51

I should note that my dreadful abuse has looked like me having out quietly with the baby in my bedroom. Or me staying at home with my children while poor, beleaguered H takes his badly behaved children on days out, to McDonald's and even to theme parks.

Apparently I should feel bad for SD because she couldn't go on all the rides she wanted to because there was no other adult there to watch her brother while she went on things with her dad. 🤯