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Co sleeping madness

211 replies

Jomaj · 02/02/2019 22:31

Am I the only person who doesn't want to co-sleep with my daughter? I love her so much, I would do anything for her and that includes giving her a SAFE place to sleep. Everyone who I ask advice about sleep says "Oh have you tried co-sleeping?" I cannot sleep with my baby in bed with me, I would feel terrible if myself or my husband were to roll onto her or pull the covers over her head without realising. If she is sleeping in my bed then I am wide awake making sure she's ok so it's more just babe asleep in my bed than co-sleeping. Everyone says "just follow the guidelines" but I'm yet to find guidelines by the NHS, in fact they strongly advise against it!
Is it just me who thinks this way?
Btw I am not against other people co-sleeping if it works for you and it doesn't fill you with anxiety then fair enough I'm just wondering if there is anyone out there like me who just doesnt want to do it?

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53rdWay · 03/02/2019 15:50

I did check to see which AIBU thread you got so badly judged on but couldn’t find it, so hopefully it got taken down.

I did see your post on another thread saying this was your first baby though so am surprised you’re saying here that you’ve had others? Maybe I read the year wrong or something...

Cheetahssitonfajitas · 03/02/2019 15:58

Just seen you bottle feed. Definitely not unreasonable to not co-sleep then as it would be a higher risk. It's generally only recommended for breastfed babies.

Firestars · 03/02/2019 16:11

Yes I've just seen in another thread that this is op's first child. Ffs. It's frustrating to post when others just lie to suit their narrative.

Firestars · 03/02/2019 16:15

Op-

Also just googled what pub means and your assumption that I am a first time mum is wrong. Co sleeping was never a think when i had my others!

Also op (a year ago.) Hmm

this is my first pregnancy

BigusBumus · 03/02/2019 16:18

My babies never ever slept in my bed. Even when poorly they would wander in and I would sit with them on their bed till they feel asleep again. Hated the idea of co-sleeping!

Which means my children have never crept into bed with us in the night, have always loved their own beds and slept through 7-7 at a very early age. I don't get why people would want their sleep disturbed like that tbh.

Jomaj · 03/02/2019 16:20

I have 2 other children, My eldest is 15 and my middle is 8 so things have changed a lot in 8 years! My youngest now is 5 months, i never realised I would be under such scrutiny on here Confused I'm not sure how you have seen other threads where I state this is my first?

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Hazlenutpie · 03/02/2019 16:22

My three slept in their own cot from birth. I'm a restless sleeper and I don't sleep well at the best of times. I soon moved them into their own bedrooms as well. In modern houses, with both doors open, they aren't far from you. Mine have grown up into confident, strapping chaps, so I have no regrets.

Jomaj · 03/02/2019 16:22

I am their mother I have had them both since babies, however I didn't carry any of them in my womb

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CoastalLife · 03/02/2019 16:26

People on here hate the fact that some people don't want to endanger their child by co sleeping

Come on. You don't think that you're being rude, inflammatory, goady, judgemental?? It's extremely hypocritical to start a thread about how people judge parents who co-sleep (which I can't actually say I've ever seen on here) and then come out with that shit ^

People don't co-sleep because they think it's dangerous but they just go "fuck it" and do it anyway. You don't love your kids more than other people love theirs. They do so because there is research that shows it's the safest way to sleep. There is also research which indicates the opposite, and clearly that's the evidence that has struck a chord with you. That's parenting. We all look at the research available and we reach our own conclusions.

For what it's worth, lots of the research to show that co-sleeping is dangerous is based on a pretty sketchy definition of what co-sleeping actually is. For example, many studies consider co-sleeping to be any situation where an adult and a child share a sleeping surface. This could be an armchair or sofa, not just a bed. Some studies include instances where the adult was under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or where the adult is a smoker. Some studies include instances where the co-sleeping was "accidental", for example an exhausted parent falling asleep in a chair in front of the TV with the baby on their lap. Clearly none of these are examples of safe co-sleeping, and yet they form part of the "co-sleeping is dangerous" narrative. It's similar IMO to reading about a drink driver wrapping their car around a tree at 70mph, or someone suffering a siezure at the wheel and crashing, and then declaring that driving is "madness" (to use your word) and nobody should do it.

The reason that the NHS guidelines advise against the practice of co-sleeping is probably because they are nannying us and we can't be trusted to use common sense, therefore it's easier for them to take a hard-line than to expend resources in teaching people how to do it safely.

There is evidence that countries where co-sleeping is the cultural norm (SE Asia for example) have some of the lowest SIDS rates in the world and that these communities bring the low SIDS rates with them when they move to countries like the UK.

Co-sleeping is safe when the baby is sleeping next to a breastfeeding mother (not any other adult), all pillows and loose covers are removed from the vicinity of the baby, the baby is not in a room with any adult who smokes, no adult who has been drinking or taking drugs is in the bed, the baby's face is level with the mother's chest and she is curled around in a C shape (arm above the baby's head, legs curled underneath the baby's feet) etc.

Basically, it's absolutely fine for you to choose not to co-sleep. It's fine if you follow the NHS guidelines. We all do what we think is best. What's not OK is for you to accuse co-sleeping mothers of deliberately endangering the lives of their babies and insinuating that you are a better mother because you made a different choice. None of that is OK and I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone on MN has been as rude about your choices as you have been about the choices of other mothers on this thread.

Jomaj · 03/02/2019 16:34

CoastalLife yawn I have already stated that it was not meant in that way, I can't help how others take it! I am unable to change the title of the thread otherwise I would to suit the snowflakes that are on here

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Raspberry88 · 03/02/2019 16:35

I don't get why people would want their sleep disturbed like that tbh.

Less disturbed than getting up every hour of the night. Pretty goady thread OP, I never intended to cosleep but it was the only way DS would settle. I've followed all of the safe sleeping guidelines and actually I've really loved it! DS is a toddler now and starts the night in his own bed very happily but likes to be in with us when we're in bed and it doesn't bother us at all if he wants to stay in with us for years to come. Can totally understand why people wouldn't want to cosleep too. Each to their own eh! Although I've never seen anyone in MN ever accuse someone of being uncaring for not cosleeping...it's usually just suggested as an option!

BigusBumus · 03/02/2019 16:36

Hazlenutpie We are similar. I have 3 boys (all teens now, who won't bloody get up in the morning!). I couldn't co-sleep for even a minute with them when little. They were in a moses basket in my room for about 5 weeks each and I never slept a wink, listening to their breathing and snuffling. They were moved to cots in their own room next door swiftly so we could all get some sleep and slept through the night very quickly (3 months ish).

I also did scheduled feeding and naps and CC at about 12 weeks so they self settled very easily and slept well.

I would have gone insane trying to do it any other way! They are massive, rugby playing, well adjusted, nice, clever kids now.

53rdWay · 03/02/2019 16:37

Ah ok, I see, my mistake. Was only looking for wherever it was you got piled on for not cosleeping on here, and so a bit surprised in that light to see you say cosleeping wasn’t a thing when you had your others.

I absolutely didn’t want to cosleep (although I did in the end) and don’t think you’re at all unreasonable for not wanting to yourself. If you were told here that not cosleeping meant you didn’t love your baby then that would explain why you brought up how much you loved her as a reason for not cosleeping in your OP.

I do think, though, that you have to expect people will get a bit prickly when they don’t know the context and therefore may read it as “I don’t cosleep because I love my baby”. Sort of like with bf/formula - it is really annoying to have people saying “oooh have you tried formula?” with every feeding issue when you’re breastfeeding, but it still would come across a bit harsh to say “no I would never use formula, I love my baby so much.”

Firestars · 03/02/2019 16:38

I am their mother I have had them both since babies, however I didn't carry any of them in my womb

Sooooo.... Hmm

So I found out I was pregnant 2 days ago but I was sure AF was on her way as I was cramping so much! But after 3 days late I took a test and got a BFP and I have taken another one since with the same result!! I'm thrilled as is my DP but I'm getting cramps as if AF is coming this is after 5 days from second BFP. Is this normal?, sorry to go on but this is my first post on here, thanks!

And the other threads you started about being pregnant.

53rdWay · 03/02/2019 16:43

No, she’s saying this baby was her first pregnancy but she has two older children she didn’t give birth to, I think.

Firestars · 03/02/2019 16:45

Oh if that's the case, please accept my apologies op. Very insensitive of me and actually bad Mumsnet form to go digging in other threads.

Again, sorry.

Jomaj · 03/02/2019 16:45

Firestars Sorry if I wasn't clear, I will explain myself once again! My first two children call me mum although it is not a biological fact, I have had my 15 year old son since he was 2 months old first fostered and then on to adoption, my second son who is 8 I adopted straight off, although he was 8 months by the time we finally got him. My first ever pregnancy came a year ago, completely unexpected as we didn't know it was possible for us and I am also getting on a bit! and we now have a beautiful baby girl who is 5 months old, hope this clears things up, I am not a liar and don't very much like being called one

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Raspberry88 · 03/02/2019 16:47

I would have gone insane trying to do it any other way!

You're very fortunate you didn't have too. I'm sure we would all have loved it if we had babies who slept through the night at 3 months but it's just not going to happen for lots of people.

ChariotsofFish · 03/02/2019 17:28

Of course cosleeping was a thing when your older ones were babies. I coslept. My oldest is about the same age as your middle child and he coslept, as did most of the babies we knew at the time. It’s not new.

Jomaj · 03/02/2019 17:33

ChariotsofFish I supposed what I mean by it wasn't a thing is it certainly wasn't as popular as it appears to be now, well not where I'm from anyway, i dont think it had the name co sleeping attached to it either it was just the kids slept in your bed and most people viewed it as annoying, but now it has become a huge thing alongside attachment parenting that it just seems EVERYONE does or expects to do, a lot has changed though it's not just this!

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Confusedbeetle · 03/02/2019 17:40

The safest place for your baby is in their own cot. Simples

ChariotsofFish · 03/02/2019 17:44

Don’t let the facts trouble you there confusedbeetle.

OP, have you looked at cosleeper cots?

Frostymorning13 · 03/02/2019 17:44

I'm sorry op but co-sleeping is a good way of letting your baby feel your love and get comfort from you at all times! That includes when they are sleeping in your arms.

They can feel your warmth and hear your heart beating if your lo needs you in the night then Co sleep it's less cruel than just shoving them in a cot and letting them get on with it

I know that's not what you want to hear

53rdWay · 03/02/2019 17:44

It’s not really ‘simples’ though when they won’t sleep in said cot. You can’t cope without ever sleeping yourself. I don’t think any of the parents I know who cosleep (or did cosleep) planned it as part of a parenting philosophy, although I’m sure some people do - they/we all just ended up doing it to cope!

Firestars · 03/02/2019 17:56

I was honestly nearly suicidal I was so tired. I'd nannied and been a maternity nurse for almost 20 years. I practiced Gina Ford for years. Co sleeping was NOT for me.

After months of ds only sleeping in my arms (and hence me awake) because I was too scared to have him in the bed with me I broke down and slammed my head against a wall one night. Unfortunately it was a steel wall and I knocked myself out, gave myself neck and back injuries and had a migraine for a week.

At that point I took the advice my lovely midwife had been giving me for months and co slept. Safely. With ds next to me on a king sized mattress on the floor. With just a sheet for me and no pillow and dh in a sleeping bag just in case. Again, with no pillow. And no drinking.

Mumsnet is usually pretty against co sleeping so I think this thread wasn't really 'needed' to be honest.