Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

[spstchmu]

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

A phobia is an irrational fear. Not wanting to facilitate more male violence by literally dressing it up is not irrational. Fearing men who trample over female boundaries is totally rational.

Absolute rubbish. Is that your robust stance for justifying TWAW and dismissing women's rights and safety?

The sex one is isn’t an ‘opinion’. It’s a fact.

OMG THIS.

Do I believe you can change your gender? Not really. Do I think it’s probably best if people who want to do this have some therapy? Yes.

But does it make any impact on my life whatsoever? No!

The idea there are trans-people lurking in every corridor desperate to go into ladies toilets to……. Listen to women wee……. Is pretty insane

This.

The idea that your anatomy dictates your gender identity is an opinion. The idea that gender identity isnt a thing is an opinion.

Have you read much into the philosophy behind self identity generally? I'm sure philosophy vibes has an accessible video about it.

Anyway, I'm not here to argue about whether trans people are the gender they identify as, I'm here to agree with the OP that there are a lot of posts that clearly break MNs own guidelines and the ones most likely to stay uo seem to be either racist or transphobic.

I should accept that men can become women on their say so because "it doesn't matter"?

No, obviously. And it's not transphobic to say that, it's just reality.

OK, here's a scenario which is fictional but based on things that have actually happened. Explain who gets priority here and why.

Anna has recently managed to leave a violent partner after years of abuse and is now living in a women's refuge. She and her children are very traumatised. It is helping them enormously to be in an environment where there are no adult males at all. In time they will move on and learn to live in the real world again, but not yet.

Bryony is a man who identifies as a woman. Bryony wants to be admitted to the refuge. When Bryony is told no, because he is male, Bryony says this is transphobic. His gender identity makes him just as much a woman as Anna. The trauma of the other residents is not as important as affirming his identity as a woman.

And here's another one:
Charlotte has trained in her sport since she was very young. She is now 16, doing well and in with a hope of qualifying for her club's first team. However, Denise has just joined the club. Denise is 45. Denise used to be Denis and played the sport as a teenager. In adult life Denis hasn't done much sport but since transitioning has decided to have another go. Denis still has the many physical advantages male puberty brings in terms of strength, height, size of hands and feet, muscular development etc etc. Denis qualifies over Charlotte.

Exactly. And then when you call out their rubbish you get called misogynistic etc., because they don’t like that women can think differently to them.

I’d be so interested to know what the “transphobia doesn’t exist” crowd say about the murder of Brianna Ghey, which was motivated by transphobia. A young person, not harming anyone, who was brutally murdered.

What sex one?

Christ alive where did I ever say it was acceptable?

Again, it’s an inability (or refusal) to accept that others think differently to you.

What I am saying is that this is not the overwhelming threat to women and children in this country. But yet again, it’s been sold to us by the right wing media that it is, because it prevents you looking at the actual issues in this country.

The 16 year old will likely play in the under 18s category. She's almost likely to be fitter and have better prospects in the sport than someone middle aged. The 45 year old.isnt going ti take her spot at the Olympics, even if the commitee allowed them to compete as a female.

You've done a survey have you?

You have no idea what other things people care about.

Or what we spent our whole careers working towards to try and liberate women and the moment one now admits liking 'boy things', the establishment points them towards being 'trans'.

What IS the overwhelming threat to women and children in this country?

Again, that just doesn’t happen.

I say that it was a terrible tragedy. The two very disturbed adolescents who murdered Brianna had a list of people they wanted to target, for various reasons. Brianna was the only trans person on the list and was not the top target, but was unfortunately the first one they managed to get hold of.

I also say that fortunately in the UK trans-identified people are very rarely murdered. It appears to be a fairly safe demographic. This is not the impression you would get from campaigners, who have somehow managed to inveigle many councils and businesses into marking Trans Day of Remembrance with flags at halfmast and ceremonies akin to Remembrance Day.

This type of post where someone acts like supporting self identity means that you find rape acceptable should be deleted and the poster suspended or banned straight away.

So basically you want a site where everyone has the same view as you?

Gender ideology to me IS homophobic. So if you want homophobia banned, mention of trans should be banned on MN,

Ditto gender ideology is misogynistic.

Diversity of views and debate is what makes MN so popular. It’s MN’s distinctive feature. If you struggle with difference then MN is not the right site for you.

Try Laurel Hubbard for size. Another 'it never happens'...

Okay, so I’ll turn the TERF logic back on you - because it’s rare, it’s acceptable?

It’s just baffling isn’t it

Supporting self identity does mean you are removing one of the safeguarding barriers to prevent rape, though. That is just a fact. You need to face up to that if you support self ID.

I don't support any of these things personally but I also do support free speech.

I think (as we have found in the UK with the police having to get involved in Twitter disputes) people should just be more grown up and stop wanting other people to ban things for them that they don't like.

Either don't read it or make the case why the poster is wrong. Asking for things to be banned is the easy way out for people who are to lazy to be persuasive themselves.

No, it doesn’t.

If someone wants to rape someone else, they will do that. A rule against them being in a changing room etc., won’t stop that.

I think you can hold a view without attacking people who have a different view. Don't you?