Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

[spstchmu]

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

No it doesn't. Men rape women all day every day without needing to identify as female. If a trans woman rapes anyone, it is still rape. The issue is that rape generally has low conviction rates. That is what we should tackle.

I've been ill recently and spending too much time on Mumsnet, and trans people are hardly ever mentioned outside of the feminism board.

Hyperbole doesn't help your argument.

Do you have evidence of the police getting involved in “twitter disputes”? Or is it the police arresting Lucy Connolly for calling for a hotel full of people to be murdered?

I thought that post was about immigration where this isalso the go-to argument. Probably the same posters.

No, it absolutely shouldn't. There is nothing intrinsically offensive about that post. It is questioning the logic of the poster they quote and where that logic ultimately leads. The quoted poster can reply and has done so to clarify their position. It is no different to suggesting that gender critical posters find putting trans people in danger through not having access to safe sex spaces acceptable. We see this all the time. Its how debate works. If you don't like it, go and find a 'safe space' or an echo chamber.

It's unbelievable that the moderators find it acceptable to suggest someone is pro-rape because they hold a different view to you on gender identity. That's Mumsnet agreeing with their userbase that anyone who is okay with trans people existing is supportive of rape and rapists. I wonder if they mean to send that message or are just unaware that it makes them seem complicit in discrimating against trans people.

Honestly, it pops up in the most unlikely places.

That was in response to a poster saying, "but how often does that happen?" when the real and documented dangers of self id, including women being raped on single sex wards, were pointed out.

So in that respect it is a perfectly reasonable question - there is clearly a number that poster finds acceptable or they wouldn't have asked.

I woukdnt support anyone saying "you dont want trans women in female spaces so you must want them harmed" either. That isnt how smart, civilised people debate.

It’s perfectly reasonable to ask for statistics and evidence to back up a claim being made.

It is said that the main reason people don’t want the whole trans thing is because of this risk. That men lie about being trans to get access to women and rape them. So how often does it happen? Where are the documented cases of it happening? What are the statistic?

Agree.

Not putting men in female prisons would prevent those female prisoners from being raped and assaulted

The RNLI and Mountain Rescue have a shared history of people risking their lives to rescue others from dangerous situations. However, they remain separate organisations because they have quite distinct roles.

Lots of people have faced criticism and outright discrimination for failing to follow made up rules about gender - what they wear, how long they should have their hair, which hobbies and jobs they can have, and so on. That doesn't make them one homogeneous group. Gay men, lesbians and bisexual people have faced discrimination and violence because they are sexually attracted to people of their own sex. This makes them a group with one clear thing in common. People who identify as a member of the opposite sex, or neither sex, are a different group.

There is also a problem when males who identify as women expect lesbians to consider them as potential partners and females who identify as men expect gay men to consider them as potential partners. This puts gay rights in direct conflict with trans rights.

This is nonsense because the person you're replying to didn't mention the Olympics or international sport at all.
Women and girls need their own sports leagues and teams at every level, and they should be exclusive of males.

There are hundreds if not thousands but this example is topical:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47638527

Again, statistics please - how often does this happen, when, and what examples of it being prosecuted are there?

Thankfully MN isn't Reddit so that's not going to happen

Every thread.

Many people are in favour of third spaces for those who prefer not to be with their own sex or need a mixed sex option. (For example changing rooms can be used by disabled people with carers, parents with opposite sex children, trans people..)

Not one post about trans men…

What doesn't happen?

The first 2 patients that were given puberty blockers at GIDS were girls whose dads didn't want lesbian daughters.

Susie Green took her son's toys away because his dad didn't want a gay boy, he only said he was a girl to get his toys back. So she did the next best thing, yes buy puberty blockers off the internet for him. Then took him to Thailand on his 16th birthday to invert his penis. All because he wanted to play with dolls as a toddler.

If you are going to keep saying 'it never happens' you are going to have to get used to examples of it actually happening, because the very core element of 'trans' is pure homophobia.

Two examples in the UK, Alexandra Stewart and Karen White

How many more examples would you need to persuade you that female prisoners are unsafe when males are put in prison with them.

Have you been to prison?

Probably not.

I have.

The sexual exploitation, bullying and mistreatment wasnt coming from trans women. It came from some of the screws, many of the (totally female) inmates and the system itself.

I bet most of you who speak about the plight of female prisoners haven't done a single thing to actually support them. They are just convenient examples for your quest against trans people.

Can anyone list any way they help female prisoners other than supporting single sex prisons (which most women experience anyway).

Women who have complained about men in their cells end up being given sanctions which include, more time in jail.

Every time you see Xenophobia, Homophobia or Transphobia, report it and it will be deleted. The moderators ensure that everyone sticks to the talk guidelines and hatred is not tolerated. The moderators refuse to accept the ridiculous hyperbole where some people claim that the statement "male people cannot be female" is hatred, so people who have a screw loose in their brain will always think there is transphobia, but that's their problem. I suppose there might be a parallel in xenophobia where some people might consider criticism of the State of Israel to be xenophobic or antisemitic. Can you give any examples of actual homophobia that moderators have chosen not to delete after a report?