Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

[spstchmu]

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

They don’t have to be more of a threat than other men for it to be justified to keep them out on risk grounds. You know, like those male people I’m close to also are? I can vouch for my brothers, partner, various male friends, but it’s just my word, isn’t it? I might not even know what they get up to when I’m not there. It’s exactly the same for your “trans woman” friends, they’re just men like all the others.

Unfortunately the DBS system is completely captured as it if someone says they are 'trans' they can change their name, leave off any old names such as the ones they might have been charged and sentenced under and it relies on them phoning up the Trans Hotline to report 'yes I am a sex offender and I've applied for this DBS'...because criminals are notoriously honest right?

Yes a random pre op transwomen is no more a threat than any other man!

get the party hats out - comprehension dawns !

Proponents of trans ideology: MN is rife with transphobes, it’s all they focus on, it appears on EVERY thread, the feminism section is mad!

Everyone else: Erm no, it’s not a trans issue, it’s a males staying out of women’s spaces and sports issue. The nice ones, the bad ones, the ones who think they are women ones. You can’t change sex.

TRA’s: See! That’s all they talk about!

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Being gay and/or from another culture doesn’t take anything away from anyone else. Men transgressing boundaries because they say they are women does. Women’s hard fought rights are important to a lot of women. I’m not sure why this is so difficult to grasp for a few on this thread. Except the typical bad faith poster/s who flock to these threads despite protestations to the contrary.

"Some posts are reported to us as hate speech when, under our guidelines, they don’t meet that threshold."

The problem is that your guidelines are inconsistent as are your moderators. How can you have a thread where people debate whether trans people are all mentally ill, but delete one up about people who smell bad?

How can you allow people to imply all men are perverts and rapists and especially all trans women, and count that as just an opinion.

And why have I see one poster have five posts in one thread deleted for violating guidelines, and they arent suspended or banned?

A “random pre op trans woman” invading a women’s space against women’s consent and in breach of the law on single sex spaces, no less.

My male partner is lovely, wouldn’t harm a fly. He’s got long hair so may actually be a woman, who knows. Should my best mate get changed in front of him? No. For her privacy and dignity.
Why should that change if he said the magic words ‘I’m actually a woman’?

No one says ( at least with a post that wasn’t removed ) that all men or all transowmen are perverts - you see when you make things up then everything you say is treated with less respect

Please point to a post where “all men are perverts and rapists and especially all trans women”. Suppose it’s progress that you recognise they’re a subset of men.

Laughing at this because it is true. It is always men people are talking about.

I mean, I’m not sure how many times one has to state ‘it’s men’. Good men, bad men, men who think they are women men.

The mentality of ‘women take crack in the toilets so who cares if men go in’ is a brain boiler, that’s for sure. 🤯

I was speaking to the moderator. If they want to ask me for proof, they can. It's important that you understand you are an ordinary user here and stay in your zone. Your zone isn't answering questions posed to staff.

My point is that if you cared about dangerous behaviour in the public bathrooms, you'd care more about that which happens most often. Drug use is something that happens more often than trans women wanking in female toilets. Therefore, anyone who wasnt just obsessed with trans people would naturally care more about that if safety was a real concern.

Yes they have quite clearly. I think if you're used to just abusing trans people, you become desensitised to attacks on them.

Also I haven’t read the “is being trans a mental health issue” thread that I think a PP is referring to

but I would say it should be allowed to stand because for me the idea that I was somehow in the wrong body and was in fact a boy was in hindsight definitely a mental health issue associated with other behaviours that no one would doubt are mental health issues

so taking it down might mean that people with certain mental health problems would be being refused a place to talk about this. And if for some proportion of trans identifying individuals there is a mental health crisis - refusing to acknowledge and treat that is beyond disgusting

It's really disgusting to use female prisoners to further your anti trans agenda. None of you have ever even been to visit a woman in prison or given a penny to a charity that supports them. Imagine using vulnerable people in that way.

All men and any similar generalisation like that gets taken down if reported - I haven’t become desensitised and when I report things are usually pulled

if you are seeing this and not reporting you are a problem

if you are seeing this and then blaming mumsnet for not pulling it before it’s posted you are being daft - having every post premoderated is completely daft

People can care about more than one thing, at the same time. Wild concept I know.
I don’t want people taking crack in toilets. I don’t want any males (trans or otherwise) in female spaces. It’s not that difficult.

How would you know what anyone else has done? It’s irrelevant deflection anyway. Men do not belong in any women only space. The answer is no.

You know that do you? For certain ?

I’ve never given to any animal charity, off the top of my head. I’m against animal cruelty.

Stop with the hyperbole. If you cared about women in prison you wouldn’t be advocating for men to be placed in beside them.

If you cared about it, any of you, when i search the site for talk about female prisoners, it wouldnt be overwhelmingly focused on trans prisoners.

What you should all do is every time you bring up female prisoners in relation to trans women, you should donate £1 to a charity like this:

https://www.womeninprison.org.ukp

Hyperbole, emotional blackmail, whataboutery and insults is all the defenders of males in women’s spaces have. They certainly don’t have any compelling arguments or I’m sure we would have heard them by now.

No id be advocating for the things they actually want me to care about, like their health and their children. Silly me, actually LISTENING to the people I claim to care about instead of some site members on the Internet who hate trans people.

So I should trust all men anywhere at any time because I have relationships with male family members? I take you'd be happy to leave your young children with some random bloke (trans or not) in the unisex changing rooms whilst you pop to the loo? After all, he's no more likely to be a perv than your husband.