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Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

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spstchmu · Today 01:52

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

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Shedmistress · Today 17:59

CliantheLang · Today 17:55

Not true!

Stamens are male reproductive organs comprised of an anther and a filament.
Pistils are female reproductive organs consisting of a stigma, style, and ovary.

Even the posters on the gardening board can't escape the fact that there are only 2 sexes.

One of the horticulture conferences i nearly attended was running a 'queer botany for seed savers' workshop. I stopped paying my subs, didnt buy a ticket and left them completely. What utter nonsense.

Differentforgirls · Today 18:01

ChamonixMountainBum · Today 16:55

I help run my local sports club that has a large juniors section, all the coaches, committee members, captains etc arw DBS checked and have received safeguarding and welfare training. We as a club over the years have had to deal with the police, social workers, parents and schools as we have a number of kids who have welfare plans in place due to previous trauma (bullying, sexual abuse). One thing you realise very early on is that men, and it is overwhelmingly men, will go to extraordinary lengths to get close to and isolate their victims. This is why we have a raft of policies and procedures in place to protect both the children and vulnerable adults at the club. The fact that some people are arguing for these safeguarding policies to be waived or ignored in order to protect the feelings of trans identified men is extraordinary.

DBS just means you haven't been caught.

ThunderThunderThunderThunderCats · Today 18:03

Differentforgirls · Today 17:43

Women are also a threat to other women and girls and to dismiss that is dangerous.

Quite, but not the same at all. Less than 1% of people convicted of sexual violence is female. Women are also far more likely to be able to fight another woman than they are a man!

GriseldaandMike · Today 18:03

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:30

If you did then youd know that trans women don't even rate on their top 100 issues. I call bullshit. Nobody who works with female prisoners would.say that this is an issue they talk.about often. You're blatantly lying about who you are.

Perhaps because transwomen are now not allowed in female prisons so they won't come across them.

Most sports are now on board with the wild and radical idea that men aren't women.

Girl guides and the WI have sort of reluctantly agreed to remove males (but they are still trying to work out a way to not have to).

The law has been clarified and if the men in question would agree to uphold it we could all move on happy, for men to wear whatever they want (within the bounds of decency and appropriateness), use whatever name they like and have whatever hobbies and interests they like and we could shift our energy to help women in other ways.

Shedmistress · Today 18:05

Differentforgirls · Today 18:01

DBS just means you haven't been caught.

No, a certain section of people can bypass linking their names to their crimes...take a guess which group of people gets to not put their old names on a DBS application so the employers do not know their old names...and relies on the ex criminal phoning up a hitline to inform them that they are indeed criminals...go on have a guess.

ChamonixMountainBum · Today 18:07

Differentforgirls · Today 18:01

DBS just means you haven't been caught.

At least it tracks the people who have been caught. Or shall we not bother with any background checks?

Shedmistress · Today 18:07

GriseldaandMike · Today 18:03

Perhaps because transwomen are now not allowed in female prisons so they won't come across them.

Most sports are now on board with the wild and radical idea that men aren't women.

Girl guides and the WI have sort of reluctantly agreed to remove males (but they are still trying to work out a way to not have to).

The law has been clarified and if the men in question would agree to uphold it we could all move on happy, for men to wear whatever they want (within the bounds of decency and appropriateness), use whatever name they like and have whatever hobbies and interests they like and we could shift our energy to help women in other ways.

Perhaps because transwomen are now not allowed in female prisons so they won't come across them.

Men are still housed in female prisons across the western world apart from Scotland and thats just since last week.

Shedmistress · Today 18:07

ChamonixMountainBum · Today 18:07

At least it tracks the people who have been caught. Or shall we not bother with any background checks?

No it doesnt.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 18:08

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:46

Female prisoners have never raised this is an issue. They raise lots of issues. Some which have no basis. Never this. Why? Because there are so few trans women that it isnt a problem they care about. They have so many other things that are pressing issues that they'd laugh in my face if I raised this as something I am concerned about. They would laugh or spit in it in disgust at me wasting both of our time.

Again, they care about healthcare, their children, education and bullying. Not trans women. The people obsessed by trans prisoners seem to be some of the least likely to ever be near a prison, let alone a prisoner.

If youve never donated to a prison charity, offered to visit prisoners, write to them or help them with anything, you really have no right to speak on their behalf. Go ahead and contact these charities for female prisoners and ask them directly if trans women are a problem that prisoners talk about with any frequency. They will tell you no. I'll list all the charities I'm involved with so you can contact every single one.

Anyone remotely involved with the prison system, nd especially those of us who have been locked up, can see through this charade

You're a cleaner as you've said, with various clients and don't work in a prison how would you know what female prisoners have raised. You don't.

Instructions · Today 18:13

The young people I meet give me hope. The majority are utterly scornful with regards to gender ideology. Like most people they have no wish for trans identified people to come to harm- they wish them happy lives free of abuse and with the same access to housing, jobs, education, general healthcare etc as everyone else- but they don't believe that sex is replaced by a gender identity or that it is an act of bigotry to be a lesbian who isn't into penises.

Differentforgirls · Today 18:14

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:18

It's really disgusting to use female prisoners to further your anti trans agenda. None of you have ever even been to visit a woman in prison or given a penny to a charity that supports them. Imagine using vulnerable people in that way.

Can I ask you something? Were you ever in Greenock? I had a woman on twitter who was a mutual and she told me that, like you, she'd been in prison and the last thing she worried about was trans women. I loved that woman. She was really funny and kind and a great person. The only women's prison she hadn't been in was Greenock. She turned her life around and was a bit like you in that she never had a bad word to say about trans women in Scottish prisons.

But I think she's left twitter and I miss her tbh.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 18:16

Whatever individual women think, male prisoners should not be sent to the female estate.

GriseldaandMike · Today 18:17

Shedmistress · Today 18:07

Perhaps because transwomen are now not allowed in female prisons so they won't come across them.

Men are still housed in female prisons across the western world apart from Scotland and thats just since last week.

True, I should have said in England and now finally in Scotland. But there is obviously still a long way to go outside of terf island.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Today 18:18

@Differentforgirls - do you think a violent male rapist should be locked up with a vulnerable woman? Yes or no.

Shedmistress · Today 18:18

GriseldaandMike · Today 18:17

True, I should have said in England and now finally in Scotland. But there is obviously still a long way to go outside of terf island.

Edited

England still put men in female prisons. Same with NI. There are no female prisons in Wales.

ThonsDesperate · Today 18:19

Differentforgirls · Today 17:46

If a man posted that you would be outraged. You're a misogynist.

I could report that as a personal attack but I prefer to let it stand. Name calling is usually the last resort of someone with nothing useful to say.

GriseldaandMike · Today 18:23

Shedmistress · Today 18:18

England still put men in female prisons. Same with NI. There are no female prisons in Wales.

Edited

I thought the 2023 changes were for all transwomen - my error I see there is a surgery loop hole. No idea how I had managed to miss that.

SockPlant · Today 18:24

Dorothyperky · Today 07:35

@ExOptimist I think you'll find there was a thread last year where a poster had found out a new teacher at their DC school was a trans woman (mtf). The pitchforks were out.
I think it's sad the FWR gets full of trans issues and little is said about the pay gap or sexism in the workplace.

Feel free to post about that in FWR. There are 2 sections

SockPlant · Today 18:25

Shedmistress · Today 07:47

How many times does it need to happen to be worth caring about?

Oh pick me i know that: n+1

cannibalfish · Today 18:28

ThunderThunderThunderThunderCats · Today 17:25

So I should trust all men anywhere at any time because I have relationships with male family members? I take you'd be happy to leave your young children with some random bloke (trans or not) in the unisex changing rooms whilst you pop to the loo? After all, he's no more likely to be a perv than your husband.

Nope, I don’t trust anyone like that, and that’s clearly not what I said.

cannibalfish · Today 18:28

ThunderThunderThunderThunderCats · Today 17:25

So I should trust all men anywhere at any time because I have relationships with male family members? I take you'd be happy to leave your young children with some random bloke (trans or not) in the unisex changing rooms whilst you pop to the loo? After all, he's no more likely to be a perv than your husband.

Nope, I don’t trust anyone like that, and that’s clearly not what I said.

Differentforgirls · Today 18:32

callmeLoretta1 · Today 17:43

Read the Denton's document. It's all in there. I can't find the screenshot I was going to post, but I'm sure one of the other feminists on here will have the receipt. I got it from mumsnet myself but can't find it.

Edited

Thank god tbh.

Shedmistress · Today 18:33

SockPlant · Today 18:25

Oh pick me i know that: n+1

Yup.

Meceme · Today 18:36

Differentforgirls · Today 17:37

I'm going to tell you something.

My husband is brilliant with children.

They all love him.

We had a wee girl across the road that chapped my door most weekend days and I would answer it (unlike some people on here, who would need four days notice), and she would ask if he (not my two wee boys) was coming out to play.

For context, we live in a private road which is a cul-de-sac.

I would look out and her mum would be rolling about laughing on her own doorstep. So I would shout to my husband " are you going out to play because K is at the door asking?"

So he would say "tell her I'll be there in a minute", then go out and play with her for 10 minutes.

Her parents were a HT and a class teacher. They, like us, had boys. They had three, we had two and then they had this wee charmer.

Fast forward a couple of years and my youngest son had mainly girl pals.Just the dynamics of the neighbourhood and his P1 class.

His best pal was a girl who was the wee sister of one of my oldest sons male pals and we were friends with the parents.

She came to us for a sleepover and was violently sick after they went to bed.

Big drama.

They were 5.

So we got her out of bed, and I put her in the bath (downstairs) while my husband was changing the sheets etc and she was really upset but wanted him.

I called up, "can we change what we're doing because she wants you rather than me".

He replied " there is no way I am putting myself in a position of bathing a wee girl in this day and age".

How sad is that?

This is what this hyperbole causes.

And that was an absolutely correct decision by your husband. I'm sure he's absolutely lovely and honest and no risk to children at all (just like my husband who did the majority of childcare of our daughter while I worked) but he was very sensible not to put himself in a position where his actions could be misconstrued.
And if you were encouraging him to do so, you were wrong.

A bit like good men staying out of single sex spaces so the problematic ones who want to override womems and childrens boundaries stand out.

Differentforgirls · Today 18:37

ChamonixMountainBum · Today 18:07

At least it tracks the people who have been caught. Or shall we not bother with any background checks?

Yes it does. But it also gives a false sense of security. Like safe guarding leads raping and murdering children they were allowed to adopt.