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Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia

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spstchmu · Today 01:52

Are you gonna do anything about it? Like, i know the line is that shoving the madness in the feminism board means it's not transphobia. And I know it's been done to death but I'm sick of it. It's not acceptable. Xenophobia, racism and homophobia also increasing.
And no. I won't leave. This is the biggest forum of its kind and it needs to represent and respect us all. And care that it's not.

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BillieWiper · Today 17:35

JustForAMomentLetsBeStill · Today 06:06

For younger and older people!

Yep. Someone had a thread slagging off a specific generation and had it removed because it upset her that people called her ageist?!

Shedmistress · Today 17:36

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 17:32

If we look at some of the men around the world, including in the uk, who have been locked up with women, it’s pretty horrifying.

Dont tell them about Barbie Kardashian, or Alan Baker.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:36

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 17:33

When I’m next in work I’ll ask a few how they would feel if Isla Bryson or Karen White were housed in with them. Your lack of comprehension skills and non existent understanding of basic safeguarding principles should absolutely not have you working with vulnerable women.

You dont work with prisoners so that won't be happening

Differentforgirls · Today 17:37

Meceme · Today 16:43

This is ridiculous hyperbole.
Life is a constant balancing of risks. If a child is lost or afraid of course I would teach them to ask a woman for help because, statistically (and reality and experience) show they are more likely to be safer than a man. You can also add - a woman with a child/children or a woman working in a shop for instance (at work/wearing uniform/known to others/traceable)
Is this foolproof? No. But its the best option taking into account known risks.
Safeguarding is about mitigating known risks to achieve the safest option possible.

I'm going to tell you something.

My husband is brilliant with children.

They all love him.

We had a wee girl across the road that chapped my door most weekend days and I would answer it (unlike some people on here, who would need four days notice), and she would ask if he (not my two wee boys) was coming out to play.

For context, we live in a private road which is a cul-de-sac.

I would look out and her mum would be rolling about laughing on her own doorstep. So I would shout to my husband " are you going out to play because K is at the door asking?"

So he would say "tell her I'll be there in a minute", then go out and play with her for 10 minutes.

Her parents were a HT and a class teacher. They, like us, had boys. They had three, we had two and then they had this wee charmer.

Fast forward a couple of years and my youngest son had mainly girl pals.Just the dynamics of the neighbourhood and his P1 class.

His best pal was a girl who was the wee sister of one of my oldest sons male pals and we were friends with the parents.

She came to us for a sleepover and was violently sick after they went to bed.

Big drama.

They were 5.

So we got her out of bed, and I put her in the bath (downstairs) while my husband was changing the sheets etc and she was really upset but wanted him.

I called up, "can we change what we're doing because she wants you rather than me".

He replied " there is no way I am putting myself in a position of bathing a wee girl in this day and age".

How sad is that?

This is what this hyperbole causes.

Shedmistress · Today 17:37

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It is totally true.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 17:38

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:36

You dont work with prisoners so that won't be happening

Oh no, a random on the internet who doesn’t think vulnerable women prisoners deserves to be in the prison estate away from natal males doesn’t believe me. Devastated.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 17:38

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:29

Not from trans women and they aren't the men who pose danger while you are in jail. You should care about that if prisoner safety is a real concern. Male screws who identify very much as men raping and abusing women. Staff members fucking mentally ill amd learning disabled prisoners. That kind of thing. That is every day for prisoners. Most will never see a trans woman

So the female victims of these males 'doN't ExiSt', is that right?

Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia
Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 17:40

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 17:38

Oh no, a random on the internet who doesn’t think vulnerable women prisoners deserves to be in the prison estate away from natal males doesn’t believe me. Devastated.

I’m taking everything they claim with a giant pinch of salt too.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 17:40

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:33

Thats how its obvious you know fuck all about social issues.

If a woman is doing a line of cocaine at the sink, that doesn't hurt me. If a male walks in and gets undressed with me and exposes his penis to me, as a rape victim with TRAUMA, it affects me. It's obvious you know, to quote you, 'fuck all' about trauma.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 17:43

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Read the Denton's document. It's all in there. I can't find the screenshot I was going to post, but I'm sure one of the other feminists on here will have the receipt. I got it from mumsnet myself but can't find it.

Differentforgirls · Today 17:43

ThunderThunderThunderThunderCats · Today 16:46

Well no, obviously. My point was it absolutely does matter what genitalia a person has, as it determines whether they’re a threat to women and girls.

Women are also a threat to other women and girls and to dismiss that is dangerous.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 17:45

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:34

Im talking about prisons. Stick to the subject or dont contribute.

I'm talking about all female only intimate spaces. Don't dare tell me what I can and can't talk about!

Differentforgirls · Today 17:46

ThonsDesperate · Today 16:49

Your loss.

If a man posted that you would be outraged. You're a misogynist.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:46

Female prisoners have never raised this is an issue. They raise lots of issues. Some which have no basis. Never this. Why? Because there are so few trans women that it isnt a problem they care about. They have so many other things that are pressing issues that they'd laugh in my face if I raised this as something I am concerned about. They would laugh or spit in it in disgust at me wasting both of our time.

Again, they care about healthcare, their children, education and bullying. Not trans women. The people obsessed by trans prisoners seem to be some of the least likely to ever be near a prison, let alone a prisoner.

If youve never donated to a prison charity, offered to visit prisoners, write to them or help them with anything, you really have no right to speak on their behalf. Go ahead and contact these charities for female prisoners and ask them directly if trans women are a problem that prisoners talk about with any frequency. They will tell you no. I'll list all the charities I'm involved with so you can contact every single one.

Anyone remotely involved with the prison system, nd especially those of us who have been locked up, can see through this charade

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:46

callmeLoretta1 · Today 17:45

I'm talking about all female only intimate spaces. Don't dare tell me what I can and can't talk about!

Not with me you won't be

Differentforgirls · Today 17:47

ThunderThunderThunderThunderCats · Today 16:46

Well no, obviously. My point was it absolutely does matter what genitalia a person has, as it determines whether they’re a threat to women and girls.

Dangerous.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:47

Differentforgirls · Today 17:43

Women are also a threat to other women and girls and to dismiss that is dangerous.

Yes. Housing mentally ill or otherwise disordered violent inmates with vulnerable prisoners. That's a real issue.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Today 17:48

The ones who have been raped or sexually abused by men locked up with them DO care, @Lexibletheflexible. As do the ones who have stated that they are sleeping in shifts because they’ve got a man locked up in their cell with them. Don't they matter?

callmeLoretta1 · Today 17:49

Differentforgirls · Today 17:43

Women are also a threat to other women and girls and to dismiss that is dangerous.

Oh the 'but hens can be dangerous too so let all foxes into the henhouse' nonsensical argument, no, the overwhelming majority of violence is from the male sex.

Xenophobia, homophonic, transphobia
callmeLoretta1 · Today 17:50

Lexibletheflexible · Today 17:46

Not with me you won't be

I will comment what I want, where I want. I don't need your permission. Stop bullying.

CliantheLang · Today 17:55

OutOfApricots · Today 13:14

You'd be seriously hard pushed to find any in threads on the gardening board.

Not true!

Stamens are male reproductive organs comprised of an anther and a filament.
Pistils are female reproductive organs consisting of a stigma, style, and ovary.

Even the posters on the gardening board can't escape the fact that there are only 2 sexes.

RufustheFactualReindeer · Today 17:56

BillieWiper · Today 17:35

Yep. Someone had a thread slagging off a specific generation and had it removed because it upset her that people called her ageist?!

Edited

Oh yes i saw that one

the hypocrisy was off the scale

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 17:58

Vulnerable female inmates silenced over their views on transgender prisoners are living in fear.
Their concerns are revealed in a secret report obtained by The Post. It shows prisoners fear some trans offenders are manipulating the system by ditching hormone therapy used to help them transition as soon as they reach “easier” female prisons.
The revelations, contained in a review on transgender prisoners that was not made public, show traumatised women are terrified of being sexually abused by male offenders who claim to be transitioning.
It comes after public outrage over the Isla Bryson scandal, when the double rapist (previously called Adam Graham) was placed in Cornton Vale women’s prison last year. Bryson had self-identified as a transitioning woman while on remand for the rapes. When she was found guilty, then First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was forced to step in amid public condemnation. Bryson was then sent to HMP Edinburgh to serve her eight-year sentence.

Former FM urges review of how trans prisoners are jailed following Isla Bryson case

Scotland must learn from other countries how to deal with trans prisoners after a double rapist was sent to a women’s jail, according to a former first minster.

https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/former-fm-urges-review-of-how-trans-prisoners-are-jailed/

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 17:59

A Post investigation has gained access to several reviews, which contain shocking claims of trans prisoners “manipulating the system”, and refusing, as soon as they get into women’s jails, to take the female hormones that prevent their male genitalia “working”. Female prisoners say they feel intimidated by the presence of transgender prisoners and live in fear of being attacked. One prisoner said of a fellow trans inmate: “If I was to have an argument with them then I would feel at risk because that’s the strength of a man. I’ve been hurt by a guy before.”
Another said: “The last one to get out [of jail] is now back living as a man. The one before that got out – back living as a man. When he was in our hall, he was telling people ‘I’m stopping taking my medication because I can’t get [an erection]’.”
Yet another said: “They wanted to be in this hall because they wanted to have sex with loads of lassies.”
Campaigners say trans prisoners should not be placed in a women’s jail where the vast majority of inmates have suffered lives of physical, sexual and domestic abuse.

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