How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

[BernardBlacksMolluscs]

three threads deleted in FWR

come on now. People obviously want to talk about this

I thought the threads were largely honest and respectful

what are the rules of engagement MNHQ? This is real life for many women. How can they talk about it? please advise

I've created this thread in FWR

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4687289-thread-to-discuss-the-reality-of-parts-of-the-uk-absorbing-large-numbers-of-men-from-other-cultures

there's some really great posts on this thread, but it's stuck in site stuff so no-one will see them!

Wow.

I wasn’t defending the test. It’s crap. I’m a reasonably intelligent UK born person and I’ve failed it several times online.

But that wasn’t my point.

Was it …

The thread was called "foreign males and attitudes to women" and was about a woman on a night out being followed by a man around several clubs/pubs, and then groped. He'd tried to chat her up in the first pub, and she wasn't interested.

Not anywhere near in proportion to the number of refugees taken in. Germany only has 80 million people to the UK 's 60million - the difference in number of refugees taken in is many orders of magnitude bigger.

MTE 🙄

Sorry posted too soon - surely its pre-existing population that matters as that's what "dilutes" new arrivals.

Actually even in terms of square km Germany takes vastly more refugees per square kn than the UK.

I am completely against FGM, ear piercing in babies and spanking children as punishment.

These are cultural practices that are carried out by mainly women.

I get called racist on a regular basis on here for views on the above and in RL for my work with FGM issues.

I am not racist because I am not disagreeing with the entire culture or saying that all women are in favour of FGM/ear piercing etc, when we know that many women are against it and that many British people do it too.

If I started a thread saying all foreign women are an issue because they agree with FGM and are a danger to females, I would be completely wrong and racist.

The initial thread was all about how all foreign men were the issue.
Even though posters were contradicting themselves and saying how they’d also been abused by white, British men and how they’re just as bad - if that’s the case then why is there a thread solely about foreign men.

EU citizens that got here before Brexit are a special case. EU citizens that arrived after the transition period, do have to take it to get ILR.

It’s not “crap”. I’ve taken it. DH and I downloaded the app that ran you through the questions. There are lots of questions about culturally acceptable actions and so on.

Fair point.

I agree with @LondonWolf in that you have to look at land mass and the population already here. You can’t say that countries that have high populations all have the same land mass available for more people. Germany is far larger than we are in terms of land mass.

It wasn't carefreeme. But here you are peddling your lies again. Now that the original thread has gone you seem to feel free to make up shite.

I wouldn’t have been the only one who read the other threads remember.

Even on this thread there are posters who are questioning the motives of the men coming over.

Some people are against refugees and claiming it’s for ‘women’s rights’.

On the other thread there were several posters claiming that the police force are scared to come across as racist, even though every other day it comes out that they’ve done something racist and most don’t care.

Posters just need to be honest about their views instead of contradicting themselves on every thread about how foreign men are the issue, but it’s not all foreign men, but it’s also some British men, but foreign men are still the issue - just say how you feel.

The biggest problem is when the only media to address these issues are outlets like these because ‘respectable’ publications won’t touch them. Even when we see and experience harassment from new arrivals

Even if you take culture out of the equation for a moment, the sheer fact of having thousands of lone men who are going to be jobless and homeless, living in poor conditions and becoming frustrated with their situation is a huge problem for our society. Many have recently arrived with Diptheria and I can't see that proper identity checks can have taken place.

Hi all - can someone update me, what is this about?

The trouble with British girls is they aren’t beaten enough

These were the terrifying words of a young woman who used to work in her family corner shop. About 15yrs old

She was not allowed to do further study
She disappeared to get married in Pakistan.
Never saw her again.
I just hope she is happy.

The shop used to sell alcohol to obviously underage English girls.
I said to one of the staff “ These are underage children!” But he didn’t care.

Very sad.

Why do you assume it will be that way round?

That happened to me loads when I was younger and it was white British males. I think it's a male problem not a race one.

Hi all - can someone update me, what is this about?

To stop refugees coming into this country as ‘foreign men are a danger to females’.

I've seen plenty of nasty behaviour from British white men too. It's universal as a respect issue. It's misogynism that's the problem, nothing else. To cast it as men from a certain culture means anyone from that culture will be tarred with the same brush and that is horrible and deeply unfair, and also does nothing to stop hate crimes or fuel racist discourse. You can get wonderful men and shitty men of any culture.

www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/ Germany has 240 people per square km and the UK 281 - the difference isn't as great as people who think Germany "should" take tens or scores or hundreds of times more refugees than the UK imply.

Additionally just like the UK Germany has some densely populated cities - which is where most refugees want to live, not up an alp or in the Bavarian forest or in the very poor (and often genuinely racist) coastal and eastern areas. The UK also has some sparsely populated areas - Scotland has lots as well as it's own densely populated cities - but nobody is advocating Scotland take London 's refugees because there's more space...

@LondonWolf Germany is 47% bigger than the UK, so is your argument that they should take 47% more than us? OK. In 2015 they took 1.1 million so we should have taken 517,000 and we only took 33,000. We've got some serious catching up to do then! Where the hell are we going to put all those people! The Home Office is going to have to train and hire a seriously large amount of people to process all those applications, but I'm all for reversing cuts to the civil service.

What do the stats say? Are recorded incidents of harassment, sexual assault/abuse & rape disproportionately higher in certain groups? I live in London, which has always been multicultural, and the range of men I've been harassed by mirrors that. Interestingly, the few times a man has intervened while I've been victim to this sort of behaviour he has never been white British.

This need to assimilate people would be easier to understand if there was some uniform idea of what British culture is. I really couldn't describe it, especially not in relation to the treatment of women.

@CarefreeMe not that we shouldn’t take refugees, but that an influx of single men from misogynist and homophobic cultures is not good for women or society more generally. Happy to take women, children and families.

This...and I say this as a British woman whose ancestry is from one of those misogynistic cultures you talk about.

That training should be mandatory.

It disgusts me, the thinking that a woman wearing a short skirt, who are drunk, or who have no protective father/mother/is in foster care etc, is fair game, it's sickening.

The focus should be on stamping out misogyny. I would say it it should be taught in 'religious' schools too. Nip it in the bud.