How do we discuss the reality of parts of the UK absorbing large numbers of men from other cultures

[BernardBlacksMolluscs]

three threads deleted in FWR

come on now. People obviously want to talk about this

I thought the threads were largely honest and respectful

what are the rules of engagement MNHQ? This is real life for many women. How can they talk about it? please advise

yeah, people are pissing me off

to be honest, I don't know as much about this subject as I'd like to

I was hoping to hear from people with interesting and informative things to say

instead I've had a bunch of people trying to tell me I'm racist for asking questions...like you just have

The problem is misogyny. There is institutional misogyny in the police force and across many, many organisations in the UK that cannot be attributed to race (indeed as we all know there is instructional racism in these organisations too).

Until women in the UK can join as a collective, without the interference of ‘liberal’ men who think they know better than women know about what women want and need and indeed who we are, we are not in a position to combat any forms of misogyny outside those which stem from factors unrelated to British born and raised men.

Move to Wolverhampton, Bradford, Coventry and live in my shoes.

don't worry, we know you're not being racist
just as we all know you're going to die upside down on the floor of a pub toilet

in terms of learning, also as per deleted thread, does anyone know if the Home Office make any attempt to address these issues?

So you’re not going to bother answering my questions then??

Even though it was you that started the thread and wanted to encourage discussion??

Lets face it.
You wanted to spark the flames and hoped the thread would turn into a massive fight which would end up in the DM and you’d just sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

You can’t start a thread about the large numbers of men coming to the UK from other cultures and then refuse to answer any questions about it and accuse anyone who questions you that they have a bad tone or accusing you of racism or trying to get the thread shut down, if that was the case we’d just report it and get it deleted.

when you ask a question that doesn't assume a bad faith position on my part, I'll answer it

yep

seeing all this here

Lets face it.
You wanted to spark the flames and hoped the thread would turn into a massive fight which would end up in the DM and you’d just sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

I know this poster from other boards on Mumsnet. Definitely not the case.

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Because white English men are safe around women especially those who work in the Met and the London Fire Brigade. White men rape and murder too, in fact men from all walks of life do regardless of their colour or background. Concentrate on that rather than a generalisation of men from ‘other’ cultures as you put it.

It doesn't take Einstein to realise that large numbers of men who have grown up in countries where women are treated abhorently combined with many believing the incorrect assumptions peddled that all women in the West are well up for it coming over in large numbers is going to cause issues. To say that people who recognise this are racist is just putting women and girls at risk in fear of hurting someone's feelings. The home office and police should absolutely be considering the implications of this and addressing it but let's be honest they don't care about women's safety at the best of times do they.

when you ask a question that doesn't assume a bad faith position on my part, I'll answer it

Or you could, you know, just answer the questions and then posters can decide whether they agree or disagree.

Avoiding questions and staying on the fence is very odd.

People are obviously going to assume a bad faith position if you refuse to answer questions that could could make you seem like a half decent human.

That fact that you refuse tells me you don’t actually care, you just wanted an article to write about.

Thanks for the thread, OP.

As a single woman who doesn’t like men, has been hassled many a time by Asian men and who will always live alone (by choice) this issue really worries me. I hope to buy a home next year and it’s highly likely I’ll be buying in one of these ‘hotspots’, certainly not the affluent Guildford and Brighton areas I was brought up in.

I live in a refugee settlement area, in all honesty the biggest issue seems to be suspicion from locals and the fact they' roam the streets ' (( they roam the streets to ease boredom, they can't work and have no money.
I actually feel bad for them , and I think most of us don’t really have much empathy towards them, they come of extremely poor places, they’ve never seen anything outside of their towns or villages, never been in contact with any foreigners , have zero knowledge about western societies ,
its difficult to judge them from the outside , perhaps they are all just poor men trying to better themselves or perhaps some are not , it’s really difficult say.

The problem is that most of the refugees are men as per the title and this is not going to lead to a balanced population distribution. These are single men looking for a better life for themselves - they are not emigrating with a family in tow. Their needs and wants will therefore be different from a family group. I lived a large part of my life in the Middle East and know firsthand about the attitudes of many men of that area towards women even men who were in an educated profession eg doctors. One of my acquaintances was from Sri Lanka and the attitude towards women there is appalling plus there are no rights in the eyes of the law. Any country where you have large groups of "bachelors" has their problems unless like in some countries in the Middle East they are not allowed eg in shopping malls or other places ( not a practice I am advocating btw) . It's a question of "values" that people hold and they don't always match those of a host country.

100% this.

@overtaxedunderling One that we should mirror. We have an aging population and are actively discouraging people from having children by reducing or completely removing financial assistance. Our only other option is immigration.

in terms of learning, also as per deleted thread, does anyone know if the Home Office make any attempt to address these issues?

It would not be possible to address it without proper stats.

I have posted some stats above which show that white British males are much more likely to rape or attack an adult or child compared to any other race.

However, the home office doesn’t use these stats to address these issues as they could be skewed and not actually a true representation.

It says that non-white or foreign people are more likely to be charged by the police, especially if the victims are white.

Whereas non-white people are less likely to report a crime.

And in some cultures like Irish travellers, Japanese and some Muslim cultures, it would be seen as wrong to report the crime for various reasons and therefore these don’t get reported and so won’t be on the stats.

For children, they are more likely to be attacked by a family member or family friend so again wouldn’t be a true representation.

Honestly, the more I read of this shit the more I think of the Queen of the Damned book, where Akasha explains her plan to - she has realized during all her 2000 year sleep and listening to mortal thoughts that the only answer for true world peace is to kill all males and let women rule the world.

“The men deserve what will happen to them. As a species, they will reap what they have sown.”

I live in a leafy "nice" suburb, not far from Windsor Castle.

I don't feel safe walking the 0.7miles to the train station every day, because I'm afraid of what white men (especially white police officers), do to women walking alone.

White men are the ones posing a risk to my safety, not immigrant men.

HTH, OP.

Yes I can. The dictionary definition of racism is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." Your question specifically singles out groups of immigrant men 'from other cultures' and implies they're doing bad things within the communities they now live in. Why say they 'from other cultures' if that's not an issue? Why not simply say large groups of men moving into communities? In my book, highlighting they are immigrants shows racist intent.

you don't accept that there are many cultures where women are generally treated with less respect than in mainstream British culture? and that this might affect the behaviour of people raised in that culture?

' if that's not an issue? Why not simply say large groups of men moving into communities? In my book, highlighting they are immigrants shows racist intent.

But it isn't racist to point out that certain cultures treat women differently. It isn't racist to point out that groups of men of a different culture who were immigrants carried out a series of attacks of women in a country they were welcomed into.

it's factual.

Yet it's been silenced and can't be talked about otherwise women are racist.

Your post is excellent