Mumsnet encouraging brigading by Twitter TRAs

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Apparently Mumsnet now takes 'reports' by Twitter.

twitter.com/MumsnetTowers/status/991593570955153408

May I ask why? It seems normal that threads should be flagged on site, and that Twitter isn't an appropriate mechanism for this.

Moreover a purpose-built Twitter TRA account, one of hundreds on Twitter set up specifically to harass and silence gender-critical feminists is being actively engaged with, even as it publicly defames Mumsnet on Twitter

twitter.com/MumsnetTowers/status/991683672356028417

The TRA modus operandi on Twitter is to mass-report feminist accounts until they are blocked and banned, and dozens have been silences in this fashion, now it seems Mumsnet, is voluntarily submitting to TRA oversight.

A thread from November about an article from 'Shon Faye' on transgender access to women's refuges has been deleted based on this Tweet:

twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/991328378178473985

The basis for deletion appears to have been 'misgendering'. It seems to me that it is rendered impossible to have a discussion on protecting single sex spaces if you are forced to use 'preferred pronouns' instead of ones that reflect biological reality. It is rather hard to understand the worldview whereby the feelings of the likes of Shon Faye asserting the right to enter a single sex space is prioritised over actual domestic abuse and rape victims. Especially on a which from its name 'Mumsnet' clearly has some basis in female biology!

Moreover, it seems reports are being received on the basis of 'Shon's feelings might be hurt', but it doesn't seem these same standards are applied to people who are not TRAs.

Any given thread about anyone, be they Jamie Oliver, Chris Evans, whoever, is likely to have people being slightly rude, but it seems that Mumsnet is inviting TRAs to brigade the site to enforce trans ideology ('misgendering', etc.) and render women voiceless the same way they have done on Twitter.

Already TRAs are circling demanding bans of posters for not being 100% on-board with trans ideology, they will not rest until this place is indistinguishable from a NUS conference.

twitter.com/MumsnetTowers/status/991707542752583681

If a mammal is born with a penis, that mammal is male.

That includes human mammals.

Are you going to delete this post MN? Because you know that's pure transphobia, don't you?

Bravo AskBasil

The seething hatred Dax has received is chilling.

The last thing this site need is the fucked up people who would say those things thinking they have some sort of upper hand/control.

It's what drives them and it will only get worse.

Giving in to bullies encourages them. If Mumsnet think they can show TRAs how reasonable and tolerant they are, and this will be met with reason and toleration in return, they are about to find out the hard way. Give them an inch...

@MNHQ

At least contact @Daxleo directly.

She has said on the Shon Faye thread that her mentions are now full of death threats and one of Shon's allies said that thing about her unborn child.

At least talk to her. Find out exactly how this has come about. De-escalate this situation.

Many of the women on here have small children or are pregnant, or vulnerable.

I had a message tonight from a woman who wants to go to one of the feminist meetings, but is worried about telling anyone her username at the meet up beforehand. Because she has been so open about her life.

Your site is successful because women talk about themselves. It makes them vulnerable.

I don't care what the legalities are or what the official policies say, there is a relationship between you and these women that, when you can, you should protect.

I don't know how you imagined these men on Twitter would go about reporting. I'm not on Twitter. How was it supposed to work? Unless they plaster usernames all over the damn site?!

Target individual women, in bloody public!

Am I missing something? How else is this supposed to work?

This. Fucking this.

data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/home-affairs-committee/hate-crime-and-its-violent-consequences/written/82105.pdf

OMG. I can't believe MNHQ are being this naive that they could think this is a workable solution

This is appalling.

I’m placemarking for MNHQ response.

Sort yourselves out MNHQ, who pays the bills around here? Your actual users not a pile of dicks on Twitter.

Shon Faye and IW and others are tweeting to say @MNHQ has had a policy change and encouraging people to screenshot posts publicly on twitter.

Come on HQ. Stop this now. You must stop this.

I know it's tough for MNHQ at the moment and for @JustineMumsnet in particular. We're mostly anonymous on here, and she isn't. It can't be easy. And I continue to appreciate MN's commitment to free speech.

But I don't understand why any forum would accept reports from another forum? It's nonsensical. Plus the fact that on Twitter the reports are public, which is rather not in the spirit surely? Because on here we're not meant to draw public attention to reporting - it's a confidential process between the reporter and mods. Why are people on Twitter allowed to pulically call out a post as "reported" if MN users are not? And what is to stop everyone who is a member on both forums switching to do all their reports publically on Twitter, for all to see? It could easily tip into public troll hunting on Twitter, with MNHQ complicit despite this being against your own talk guidelines.

Finally, if people can report from Twitter, why end it there? Facebook? Reddit? There is a backlog of hundreds (thousands?) on MNTrolls to work through, for a start.

I really think this new idea needs a rethink. Directing non-members who are unhappy with something on MN to email you with their problem would be much more in-line with the reports system that you ask us MNers to ascribe to.

You’ve asked for reports on posts from people who aren’t members, on twitter? Isn’t that a little, erm, insane?

I know it's tough for MNHQ at the moment and for @JustineMumsnet in particular. We're mostly anonymous on here, and she isn't. It can't be easy. And I continue to appreciate MN's commitment to free speech.

And is the solution to that to redirect the flying rage monkeys towards users who will almost inevitably have far less resources to call on to protect themselves and fight back than Justine does? Because that's what's going to happen if they proceed with this policy.

@MNHQ I doubt you'll give any useful response to this. I hope I am wrong, hell, I'd love to be wrong.
You have been evasive on data protection, moderation, recruitment, 'partner' companies, trolling. You have been 'thinking carefully' for weeks. It really is time to walk the walk.

FFS MNHQ!

As a result of the new "please tweet us your complaints about Mumsnet users" policy one Mumsnet user just got a message from one of Shon Faye's followers saying that they hoped her baby would be stillborn.

Have you got the interns running the twitter account?

When did you decide it would be a fabulous idea to encourage misoginsts online to retweet members names, and make your reporting process less private, and almost ‘outsourced’ to a very vocal group of MRA’s on Twitter?!

What a way to embolden those who want to silence women. You know, those people who essentially make your site what it is. Stop pretending both sides of this debate are equal, only one side is demanding silence and no debate at all from the other.

Angry and others, if you find a space where people will actually be able to talk about biology, reality, women’s rights and safeguarding children, without having to worry about having their data stolen by those they should trust, having their babies threatened because of a shit stupid policy, or being deleted for having ‘the wrong tone’ (I.e a bloke somewhere didn’t think you disagreed with him nicely or apologetically enough) then pm me.

I’m ready to move on too to be honest.

The women on here did not sign up to a policy that says HQ will sanction Twitter users to screenshot their posts and report them on a different public forum entirely.

Just sent you a message, Truscum!

Angry I'd be interested too if you find a place. I do recognise that I've not been on these boards for nearly as long though so if you feel you don't know me well enough to trust that is ok.

MNHQ This can not be an easy situation to contend with, and for that you have my full sympathy. However this latest method of dealing with complaints fails to make sense on any level.

If MN has really decided to open the floodgates and destroy the FWR boards, I would strongly suggest that HQ steps back for a moment and looks at the big picture. The main target of these MRAs/TRAs is women. One more time. The target is women.

If FWR goes, do you honestly think these activists will quietly depart. Not A Chance. They will then demand that the language must change in the pg/ttc/parenting forums and so on. Any discussion regarding women will be policed until they finally close down every thread and board in MN.

Look up appeasement and see how well it has worked out in history. Defend your company now while you still have the backing of so many posters, because once they are driven away you will have to stand alone.

The only answer right now is for MN to delete their Twitter account.

What a madly irresponsible thing to have allowed. The response should simply have been "join the site and make reports through our reporting procedure", end of story.

I put job ads through MN at work, I won't be doing that again if they allow this to carry on.

I mean, technically even the name "Mumsnet" is transphobic as trans women can't be mums . So MN will have to delete itself....

@MNHQ

Once again, as the situation is developing in a less rather than more reassuring way as the night goes on - if any use wants their entire history deleted because they no longer feel that they can trust Mumsnet with any information that history might contain, how do they go about making that happen?

Many of us are hoping it won't come to that.

Any user, rather.

From the thread about Shon Faye.

Amalfimamma Thu 03-May-18 00:17:55

He (she means Shon) has just doxxed DAX

WHICH IS ILLEGAL IN THE UK. MNHQ are you still going to give n to someone who puts women's lives at risk by doxxing them?

So the very site which a couple of years ago had one of its members, and the founder, doxxed with armed police arriving at the door have encouraged rabid fuckers on Twitter to mass complain about comments on here?!

After Justine’s apparent stance a few weeks ago?

Fucking remarkable

AngryAttackKittens - PM me too with thoughts on where else to go? Thanks muchly