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Deliberate misgendering - will MN do anything to discourage it?

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SuperDandy · 21/02/2018 08:28

I've reported a lot of posts lately for deliberate misgendering of individuals, but MN seems not to do anything about it ever.

Pick any thread you like that's relates to transgender in any way, and up pop the deliberate and persistent misgendering posters. It's bullying, and it's transphobic.

I'd really like to know what mn's position is on this.

OP posts:

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 21/02/2018 08:29

Correct sexing you mean? Why should we be forced to call blue red, when we all know red is red and blue is blue?

treaclesoda · 21/02/2018 08:31

That's like insisting that people should accept that cats are actually dogs, and anyone who says that a cat is actually a cat is being deliberately offensive.

InfiniteSheldon · 21/02/2018 08:34

I've seen zero misgenderingI have seen a refusal by women to be bullied, belittled and sidelined.

TerfyMcTerface · 21/02/2018 08:36

You want to impose a policy of compelled speech? For people to have to say something they don’t believe in?

treaclesoda · 21/02/2018 08:37

It's like 1984...

CiderwithBuda · 21/02/2018 08:38

I’ve no idea what this even means. What on earth is misgendering?

FabulouslyGlamorousFerret · 21/02/2018 08:38

I'm not a Trans activist/sympathiser or supporter In any way shape or form. But, I agree. The way India Willoughby was spoken about on here was disgusting, she's an absolute fool and I dislike her intensely, but the opportunity to use a male pronoun at every opportunity was pathetic. It was like a pack of school bullies who self righteously find a 'justification' to bully someone ... and then absolutely revel in it. Yuk.

This thread has reminded me why I'm not as keen on MN anymore.

CanIBuffalo · 21/02/2018 08:40

For some people the cognitive dissonance involved in calling a he a she outweighs our ability to be 'polite'.

In my case I can try to wrestle the dissonance in real life but it's like askibg me to state that the earth is flat because someone believes it to be so. With the best will in the world, my face probably gives away the truth of how I feel.

I can be bother

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 21/02/2018 08:41

Cider...misgendering would be to call Dave here a man.

Deliberate misgendering - will MN do anything to discourage it?

CanIBuffalo · 21/02/2018 08:41

Sorry...
I can be bothered to try because I pity and love the member of my family who is presenting as the opposite sex.

RaininSummer · 21/02/2018 08:41

I think any so called misdgendering is when the person in question is known for disrespect towards women. Calling someone by their chosen, wrong sex, pronouns, is something done to be kind, to support the delusion, not because of actual belief that the dog is now a cat. Many women are now too angry to collude with this.

relaxitllbeok · 21/02/2018 08:42

It's really hard to see how misgendering, in the form of using someone's non-preferred third person pronouns, can be bullying. The person isn't present when it's done - otherwise it would be second person pronouns being used!

I certainly hope MN don't have a policy of forcing posters to use or not use particular ordinary words about someone because they don't like them. Fair enough to forbid words that are generally offensive, but not words that are only deemed offensive to an individual because of that individual's preferences.

Noloudnoises · 21/02/2018 08:43

OP sadly you and I are in the minority on MN which I find really bizarre. I completely don't understand how people are so threatened. The nastiness is worrying. The more the merrier I say. Completely pro-trans everything over here!

Flomper · 21/02/2018 08:44

Maybe it will when very vocal trans individuals stop deliberately calling women ciswomen, which is deeply offensive to women, and telling them they have a phobia, when they don't.

ToothTrauma · 21/02/2018 08:45

I’m with you OP. I hide multiple threads a day (and have hidden the whole feminism board) because of the vicious transphobia on MN. I don’t understand why it’s allowed.

BiologyMatters · 21/02/2018 08:48

If the person in question is male we should be allowed to call him a man. I don't believe that a man can become a woman by saying he feels like one. I don't believe in gender and i don't prescribe to the demands of the trans ideology cult.

As someone said above. Correct sexing not misgendering.

shakeyourcaboose · 21/02/2018 08:49

Agree with @flomper. And yes OP the constant misgendering by the use of the term 'cis' is awful, am so glad you are challenging this!

Flomper · 21/02/2018 08:51

I happily call my post-op MTF trans friend she because she it comittedly and happily living as a woman after years of hormones, therapy and surgery. Also, she's not trying to deliberately offend me or erode my rights.

Im not going to call MRAs like LM and their ilk she or her because I dont believe they are women or even want to live as women. I think they are pretending to be women to gain infamy and notoriety and to give them a reason to bully and intimidate women ( ie behave like men) as a result of whatever messed up childhoods they had as non gender conforming men. Shame they cant find more constructive ways of acting like men.

Phosphorus · 21/02/2018 08:51

It isn't transphobia to state that a person can't just magically change sex.

All the surgery in the world can't alter the fact that it's purely a cosmetic change.

A male can't become a woman, and a woman can't become a man. It's basic biology.

CiderwithBuda · 21/02/2018 08:53

Thanks TellsEveryone. Looks like a man to me. Will google him.

I have been reading some of the trans stuff on here. Not enough obviously!

Omgineedanamechange · 21/02/2018 08:54

I agree OP, when are MN going to stop people referring to me as cis.

Oh wait, you mean it’s only wrong when directed at trans people right? Us women should just STFU.

harlaandgoddard · 21/02/2018 08:56

Totally agree OP. Anyone who does this means to offend, it’s painfully obvious.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 21/02/2018 08:58

Thanks TellsEveryone. Looks like a man to me. Will google him

No problem. Of course all the people in here agreeing with the OP, and the OP, see a woman apparently.

coconutlimesmoosh · 21/02/2018 09:01

Pick any thread you like that's relates to transgender in any way, and up pop the deliberate and persistent misgendering posters. It's bullying,

if you mean consistently calling us cis women, you are dead right. Could you campaign for that to stop then?

Fekko · 21/02/2018 09:01

It is not transphobic to question or debate. I haven’t seen any outright attacks or ‘disgusted of Milton keynes’ type posts.

The worst stuff I have seen is the activists/agitators demanding #nodebate and threatening - actual threats of physical harm - people who ask for clarification, debate or don’t ageee with them. Or complaining that to not call a person with a penis a woman is like, literally attacking them and being in fear of their lives as a result.

Anyone who refuses to engage, debate or allow someone else to have a different opinion is a nasty bully and sadly it’s the loudest voices- who don’t speak for the majority - who seem to have the ear or politicians and (some) big business. Scared of bad publicity

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