Deliberate misgendering - will MN do anything to discourage it?

[SuperDandy]

I've reported a lot of posts lately for deliberate misgendering of individuals, but MN seems not to do anything about it ever.

Pick any thread you like that's relates to transgender in any way, and up pop the deliberate and persistent misgendering posters. It's bullying, and it's transphobic.

I'd really like to know what mn's position is on this.

I am not interested in the logic of transactivists. I am interested in the rights of women including transwomen.

I will often use whatever name or pronoun anyone wants, as a courtesy - but it's just that, a courtesy, not an obligation. I see absolutely no need to be courteous to rapists, sex offender, and other misogynists. I will not describe them as women or use "she/her" pronouns.

I am interested in the rights of women including transwomen.

I think that's where we all started. The question is what do you do when those rights conflict?

I am interested in the rights of women including transwomen.

And when those transwomen call you evil for wanting to talk to your child, rather than making an immediate referral, and report you to your employer for transphobia, trying to get you the sack? Totally fine with that, obviously.

sexyegg consider this

You say The threat you "feminists" perceive is absolutely tiny. It's a drop in the ocean.

But one of the consequences of self-id is that nobody will ever be able to know because all self-id trans women will be recorded as women.

So, statistically, how many trans women will be working in female-only spaces? No idea, they will all be noted down as women.

How many trans women will be in women's prisons? No idea, they will be identified and recorded as women.

When crimes are committed, how many of them are committed by biological women and how many by transwomen? The data will not be available.

How many of the 'women' on a GP's list have female bodies and how many have male bodies? The NHS is already recording people by gender identity, so they will not know the answers.

I am interested in the rights of women including transwomen

I forgot to ask. What rights do transwomen need that they do not already have? As women's rights are based on biological needs, not gender wants. How are they in any way related?

Why do you insist that transactivists represent all transwomen? They don't. Same as gender-critical feminists do not represent all women or other feminists.

Safety, surgery, trans safe spaces, trans inclusionary women's spaces.
Do they have all of these already?

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation thanks I'm so grateful

I think you got the wrong face there sexy

You got the hmm face where i think you wanted the smile

Its easily done

Sorry

Just realised its a sarcastic post

Rufus 😂😂

I am not interested in the logic of transactivists

You seem to think there's this radical screaming faction and then the reasonable majority. Heather Brunskell-Evans has just been kicked out of the Women's Equality Party for saying just about exactly what you said. The Women's Equality Party

Ereshkigal to put it bluntly; no, they don't know when to "shut the fuck up".

At least you're honest.

Oh please. Smug? Virtue-signalling? I have as many issues with that phrase as I do Feelz.

Unfortunately for you, in a free country people can use these phrases. Do report if you think they're in breach of talk guidelines.

I said before I am fortunate not to have had dysphoria so can still believe that for transwomen born with that condition, their feelings of disconnect are valid to them

Of course they are valid to them. But it doesn't make them women.

What BrandNewHouse said.

There isn't any counselling for gender dysporia any more. Not proper person-centred counselling. These days, before a counsellor considers the person in front of them they have to ensure they are complying with the memorandum of understanding (PDF link) that their professional body has signed up to.

It's a weird document. The first part is all about intent and is full of reassurances about how the memorandum is not intended to stop counsellors doing their job. The second part basically says 'nevertheless you will be re-educated'.

This is the sort of guidance that is being called 'conversion therapy'. I'd be interested in your opinion on it (but only if you actually read it first).

The only way to get decent counselling that doesn't just unquestioningly affirm your child's stated gender identity is to go private and to ask around among the TERFs for contacts.

Meanwhile, in evidence provided to the transgender equality inquiry (and ignored) the British Association of Gender Identity Specialists ( The Association numbers over a hundred members and comprises the overwhelming majority of all clinicians working in every Gender Identity Clinic in the British Isles. ) had this to say:

There are no other aspects of the National Health Service in which patients need only to have their lack of insanity confirmed before being in a position to decide exactly what professionals will be obliged to prescribe to them and what surgical procedures they will be obliged to perform upon them.

“The threat you feminists perceive is absolutely tiny”. How tiny, exactly? How many girls and women would have to be asssulted or harassed by males using self id to access their spaces before you’d get a bit queasy about the whole thing?
Any answer other than “one” means you are prepared for women and girls to be collateral damage; and makes you fundamentally pretty fucking sick, in my book.

I just find it difficult to call someone with a penis 'she'.
Chambers Dictionary defines a penis as
"The external male organ used for copulation, and also (in mammals) for the excretion of urine".

So anyone with a penis is male and the correct pronoun for a male is he. Isn't it just that simple?

I have the very greatest respect for a man who undertakes the difficult and probably painful treatment to remove his sexual organs and has hormone treatment to take on female characteristics. Such a person deserves to be called she.

But for someone to decide they are a woman just by signing a piece of paper? No, I'm sorry but he is still a he.

Misgendering is wrong and ignorant. We all know that someone born male is a boy/man and a female, a girl/woman. I think it is called biology.

So the ones misgendering are actually... they should report themselves!

for me, dysmorphia sees something NOT there, ie fat - distorted reality whereas dysphoria sees something not there, breasts/vagina/penis - reality they are uncomfortable with.

So Hanginground that would make the dysphoria of trans-abled people exactly the same as transgender people then?

I am interested in the rights of women including transwomen.

Women doesn't include transwomen, it includes transmen. It's not a right to decide that objective observable categories don't apply to you and to make others change material things in line with something that is a belief rather than a reality.

Safety, surgery, trans safe spaces, trans inclusionary women's spaces.
Do they have all of these already?

You cannot give these rights without putting women's rights in jeopardy. GC feminists have said umpteen times that we would stand together with trans people to get safe third spaces but this has been poo-pooed because it's about VALIDATION of intangible feelings. Women's spaces are already trans-inclusionary for transmen.