Deliberate misgendering - will MN do anything to discourage it?

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I've reported a lot of posts lately for deliberate misgendering of individuals, but MN seems not to do anything about it ever.

Pick any thread you like that's relates to transgender in any way, and up pop the deliberate and persistent misgendering posters. It's bullying, and it's transphobic.

I'd really like to know what mn's position is on this.

Good posts, PencilsInSpace. Thanks for the SAGE link.

I am just saddened that young people unsure of their sexuality think they "must be transgender" rather than they might be gay or bisexual.
I mean- which is more likely? They were born in the wrong body, or they aren't 100% heterosexual?

I suppose I see the rise of transgenderism and gender-fluidity as down to homophobia, pure and simple. Something I feel deep sadness and discomfort about.

Ok, someone is going to have to explain the war with East Asia thing, not getting it.
Small words please I only realised last week that India Willoughby and Holly Willoughby were two separate people.

It's a quote from the book 1984 by George Orwell, dystopian novel or at least used to be, maybe a manual for how to run a government for some, worth a read, along with animal farm.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

Ah, thank you, kimchi, it's at least 30 years since I read 1984!

How old is everyone on here? Not being ageist, just curious. I am in my mid forties - so old enough to parent a teenage girl who is au fait with all terms and trends but not influenced by any of them.
Also old enough to have been brought up with Kenny Everett, Boy George, Annie Lennox, Rocky Horror, Armistead Maupin, kiss of the spider woman,Torch song trilogy, Crying Game, Priscilla Queen of the desert, queer as folk to binge watching TransParent a couple of years ago. Not all great cultural references I'm sure - but if you were exposed to much of that then is it so shocking you'd be pro-trans.
Performing gender (drag) never bothered me, gender bending not controversial, Anna Madrigal was a sympathetic trans character, most plots to movies are bound by love.
At uni, post Aids icebergs, attending pride with gay mates, enjoying stand up, Eddie Izzard included, and so on and so forth.
Certainly not sheltered - worked out I had 20 incidents of Me Too between 15 and 25 - but that does not mean I hold all penises responsible even though QALOMALT.
I do see the need for a compromise - a third space but at the same time have been sharing space in all likelihood for a while now. It just seems unfair for the vocal few to have the majority demonised.
When self ID comes in, do you all actually believe that the knock-on effect will be as magnified as presented on here?
Is it possible to be a feminist if not taking the gender critical view?

When self ID comes in, do you all actually believe that the knock-on effect will be as magnified as presented on here?

Put it the other way round. If you were a sex offender and you could access women's changing areas without restriction do you think you would?

How many women and girls would need to be assaulted and harassed before you said that was too many?

We are asked to take trans women into our spaces because they are at risk because men are violent. We are then told that we are perfectly safe to do so because the men who will access our spaces are NOT violent. How does that work?

When self ID comes in, do you all actually believe that the knock-on effect will be as magnified as presented on here?

I believe it will lead to the erosion and eventual removal of sex as a protected characteristic which will mean all the sex discrimination laws will go.

That’s quite a big deal, no?

We are asked to take trans women into our spaces because they are at risk because men are violent. We are then told that we are perfectly safe to do so because the men who will access our spaces are NOT violent. How does that work?

Exactly. And just to clarify, MTF transsexuals have exactly the same rate of violent sexual offending against women as men do.

The doublethink is astonishing

hanging
30s and I personally struggle to understand how someone could possibly be a feminist, if they didn't believe female was a biologically define thing rather then a feeling.

I don't know, I don't have all the answers. Rapists are going to rape regardless but no, it shouldn't be made easier for them - It comes down to whether you believe rapists are currently deterred by segregated stalls/being challenged on it, how many attacks are there in bathrooms currently?

Not coming back for a debate, but just wanted to add my voice to those calling on MN to take a stand against the hideous anti-trans climate that is developing here.

I don’t see an anti trans atmosphere. People question, debate, say you can’t change biology. That’s not hate speak.

XXKimchi
Having gone through the trauma of childbirth I define my own femaleness biologically. The role of mother and its lack of status makes me feel stabby as does the violence of birth so I would fight for any woman's rights anywhere on those points alone.
Nonetheless that is my definition as a born woman - as I said before I am fortunate not to have had dysphoria so can still believe that for transwomen born with that condition, their feelings of disconnect are valid to them, without it invalidating my lived experience. Not a race to the bottom as to who has suffered the most.

Oh please. Smug? Virtue-signalling? I have as many issues with that phrase as I do Feelz. If my child was anorexic, I would get her counselling. If my child believed she was male, I would get her counselling. She would have the right to feel how she felt without more pressure and judgement from me, the one person who should support her more than ever. Before we get into how starving oneself is equal to a sex change, I do not believe the two conditions are comparable so respectfully agree to disagree.

I wasn't the one that made that point, but I don't see how they're not comparable, both mental health conditions that makes the person feel that their body is in someway wrong.

It comes down to whether you believe rapists are currently deterred by segregated stalls/being challenged on it, how many attacks are there in bathrooms currently?

Ah well now you're arguing for an end to sex segregation in toilets, changing rooms, hospitals, rape crisis centres, prisons.

My 85 year old mother is going to be very disappointed when I tell her she's going to have to suck it up because otherwise a woman with a penis might feel a bit sad.

And some women are simply not going to be able to go out. Because Muslim, rape victim, don't want to see a dick for any other reason...

Are those things ok?

And if it's ok for us to have bathrooms with men in because 'rape happens anyway' why isn't it ok for the men to use the men's room for the same reason?

If she decided to transition, that would be her choice and yes, I would then have a second son, use his name and refer as him/her. But as an ex-teacher and counsellor, I am always going to advocate talking through first especially as lesbophobia is still rife in secondary schools whereas trans is a more 'acceptable' label atm. No words for conversion therapy

@Ereshkigal to put it bluntly; no, they don't know when to "shut the fuck up". I'm sick to death of the anti-trans agenda being shoved in my face.

The threat you "feminists" perceive is absolutely tiny. It's a drop in the ocean.

sorry xxkimchi just seen your post - in the same way that race is not the same as gender, dysmorphia is not the same as dysphoria. No doubt those with eating disorders will correct me, hang on here's one thefederalist.com/2016/06/27/why-is-transgender-an-identity-but-anorexia-a-disorder/
but for me, dysmorphia sees something NOT there, ie fat - distorted reality whereas dysphoria sees something not there, breasts/vagina/penis - reality they are uncomfortable with.

It's a perverts charter. And that fact actually has nothing to do with trans people. If I were a sex abuser I would be counting down the days and dry cleaning my mac.

to put it bluntly; no, they don't know when to "shut the fuck up". I'm sick to death of the trans-activist agenda being shoved in my face.

The threat you feminists perceive is absolutely real. It's not a drop in the ocean.

Fixed that for you @sexyegg (you're welcome!)

But as an ex-teacher and counsellor, I am always going to advocate talking through first especially as lesbophobia is still rife in secondary schools whereas trans is a more 'acceptable' label atm. No words for conversion therapy

Yes most people would. However, that would make you transphobic, evil and guilty of literally killing transpeople. Welcome to the logic of transactivism.