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Rules around banning?

338 replies

TheUnworthy · 13/11/2016 21:54

Feeling a little nervous after the recent thread that went 'poof' and reports of people being banned and not knowing why/not having any deleted posts beforehand.

Is there a three strike rule? No strikes?

OP posts:
AVirginLitTheCandle · 13/11/2016 22:26

Are you being serious MsGameandWatch?

MsGameandWatch · 13/11/2016 22:26

Completely.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 13/11/2016 22:27

yes I did

Shock

Blasphemy!

AVirginLitTheCandle · 13/11/2016 22:28

Completely

Well that's just rude.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 13/11/2016 22:28

WannaBe was posting here today, I thought? Has she now been banned? I really can't understand why, if so. The site is full of goady posters and is troll central a lot of the time... Confused

BeyondAnyFuckingJoke · 13/11/2016 22:29

Ha! I have not looked back btw, it suddenly popped into my head Grin

JennyHolzersGhost · 13/11/2016 22:30

As someone has mentioned knitting - which was brought up by me on the previous thread - I should clarify what I was banned for. It wasn't about knitting (though that was one of the things I was posting about around that time). Some of you may remember it actually. It was on the night of the Paris attacks last year and I posted a thread saying we should all visit Paris ASAP in a gesture of solidarity.
However I phrased it badly (something like 'Paris is nice to visit at this time of year') and didn't explain 'for solidarity' and so apparently it got reported to death within minutes of me posting it and I was banned before I even refreshed the page to check if I had any responses. Because it understandably looked like Trolly McTrollface.

I emailed HQ to explain my intentions had been honourable but sadly mid-phrased and they accepted that and reinstated me.
But no, I got no warning or notification and they didn't seem to check my posting history to consider whether I seemed the troublesome type.

As I said at the time (and on tonight's thread) I understood why they deleted the thread but surely that alone isn't worth an outright banning with no warning?

They could have checked my posting history and emailed to say 'did you mean to be so troll-y?!' Or given me a warning, which appears to be something they do from time to time.
It just felt a bit heavy handed, that's all. Not arguing re the actual thread though, and I'm sorry again if anyone here was offended and reported it. (I did go to Paris to spend money and support the local economy afterwards btw and I hope other people did too Smile ).

Soubriquet · 13/11/2016 22:30

Like I said on the deleted thread a ninja has been banned.

She had no warnings.

She emailed to find out what happened and finally got a response telling her she had persistently broken talk guidelines and had been reported numerous times, mnhq feel this site is no longer suitable for her and her account has been deleted.

She has emailed again asking where she has broken the guidelines. No response yet.

AVirginLitTheCandle · 13/11/2016 22:30

Who was the OP of the last thread? Apparently she had been a regular non goady poster before she was banned (according to a different poster on that thread anyway) which makes the whole banning without warning and MNHQ ignoring her emails even more strange.

Toooldtobearsed · 13/11/2016 22:30

Daisies - on previous thread which went poof, MNHQ confirmed Wannabe was no longer here and said they had been in contact with her.

TupsNSups · 13/11/2016 22:31

There was quite a few pbp on the last thread all with similar stories of emails not being replied to.

PurpleDaisies · 13/11/2016 22:32

Thanks toooldtobearsed-I missed that.

YoScienceBitch · 13/11/2016 22:32

msgame
That is EXACTLY what happened to my friend! I wonder if it's the same poster.

BeyondReasonablyDoubts · 13/11/2016 22:33

Banning without warning (sometimes) and then ignoring contact for a few days are both pretty normal, so I have gathered

TeacherBob · 13/11/2016 22:34

I had it where I was banned, I felt unfairly.

Worst for me is they just close account, don't tell you why, no right of reply and you are just sat there wondering if you are closed or if a tech issue.

Worst for me is, I got banned because a load of regulars complained, yet they continued to slag me off on their part of the forum after I had gone

AVirginLitTheCandle · 13/11/2016 22:38

Something similar happened to me Jenny.

I started a thread wanting to discuss something inspired by what I had going on in my life (but not actually about my situation iykwim) however my thread was taken completely the wrong way and everyone just ended up getting upset and angry at me.

I guess a lot of people reported me because the next thing I know my thread was zapped and I was zapped too Sad. I did get in touch with MNHQ to ask them wtf that was about and they got back to me quickly. My account was reinstated within about 20 minutes. However it seems these days they aren't as quick at getting back to people.

IonaMumsnet · 13/11/2016 22:38

Evening all. Just popping in to set your minds at rest (hopefully). We're sorry to say exactly what you probably don't want to hear but honestly, it is mostly as simple as 'if you follow talk guidelines you won't have any problems'.

As you might know, we don't hover over the boards waiting to swoop on transgressions so if you've come to our attention, it will be because we've had reports about your posts. We by no means delete all the posts that are reported to us (afraid I don't have the figures to hand but honestly, the rules here are pretty lax compared to most places where you might be rocketed off the site for a bit of a swear) and we ban a very small percentage. And when we do it's quite rare that it's 'for life' unless it's a very obvious troll or spammer or recurring PBP of some variety. We generally WANT people to be here and posting, so while we do have to apply the rules fairly, banning for good is rarely our first solution.

There aren't hard and fast rules because we try to be fair. If someone new joins and is incredibly goady and rude to people, we warn them, they don't stop and it's clear they are simply here to cause trouble we might well show them the door pretty quickly. But if it's someone who has obviously been having a difficult time, or a long-term poster who we know is a bit out of sorts for whatever reason, we might well deal with it a little more leniently. We know people are only human and make mistakes and so we don't really want to get to a stage where it's a black and white 'three strikes and you're out on your bum regardless' system. It's a pretty general template we go by, but we don't want to give a nasty goady troll three chances to upset everyone and on the other side of the coin, we don't want to lose someone who's been posting here for ten years just because they got out of bed on the wrong side three times in a decade.

Having said that, if a poster is flouting the rules continually and deliberately and generally making life unpleasant for others, we can't just overlook it. We're pretty clear in our Talk Guidelines and while we know it's easy to see red, post in haste and repent at leisure, we do have to be fair about it and ban them eventually if someone is a persistent offender and has had fair warning.

In answer to the questions, yes, we sometimes ban with no email or we simply haven't had time to email that person before they get in touch with us. Our hope is that if someone is genuine and they have just had a bad day, or don't understand why they've been banned, they will drop us a line and we can have a chat and sort it out. We don't ban anyone 'for life' and without warning without very good reason.

We really can't discuss individual cases with people who aren't the poster in question - it just wouldn't be fair. But if you think you've been unfairly dealt with or misunderstood, we're always happy to discuss it.

Honestly, the best thing is always to drop us a line and ask what's happened if you aren't sure. We're all very approachable people and we understand that MNers are very reasonable and approachable people, too. We really aren't going to hold it against someone for ever if they've lost their temper a bit, had one too many drinks late on a Friday night or just got wires crossed.

Hope that rather rambly explanation helps a bit, and please do let us know if there are any other questions. If it's specifically about your account, just drop us a line and we can have a chat with you off the boards.

TeacherBob · 13/11/2016 22:39

Only way I was able to contact was to open new account and then make a post, report post and explain I was trying to contact

AVirginLitTheCandle · 13/11/2016 22:39

That said, I like to think I've been well behaved since I was unbanned. I'm sure I'm just deluding myself though Grin

Owllady · 13/11/2016 22:41

Are there different wannabe's? I know WannaBe in rl and she's not really controversial. Is she slave working her dog again? Slagging off honey g?
Confused

JennyHolzersGhost · 13/11/2016 22:42

Sorry to hear that AVirgin Flowers not nice when you know you mean well, is it.

Soubriquet · 13/11/2016 22:42

Iona you've claimed you are happy to discuss it but I've emailed you about a friend's account and have had no response.

Emanuelle has said you haven't received anything, so I've sent it again.

The person in question had almost emailed to find out exactly what she did wrong and another user has emailed on her behalf too

Soubriquet · 13/11/2016 22:43

Again not almost Grin

TrippyMcTrapFace · 13/11/2016 22:43

"Slagging off honey g? "

Grin owl

bumbleymummy · 13/11/2016 22:45

Sometimes people get a warning on the thread - an 'ahem' type post. Sometimes they might get a warning email telling them to calm down/step away. Sometimes they just can't log in and that's that. It's incredibly inconsistent.

Personally, I think there should be a standardised approach so that people know what's going on. Some posters break guidelines for years and rarely get suspended and then repeatedly get allowed back. Others are suspended after one misdemeanour. You can see why people get the impression that some posters are treated more favourably than others.

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