TransAgenda BullShit: The I am Spartacus Thread

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My daughter was about 4 when she pointed out the obvious physical differences between 'mummy' and 'daddy.' Biological sex is a physical reality and it is nonsense to deny it and harmful to both sexes, but to women in particular.

Gender is a bullshit social construct. I wear pretty dresses and make up, and I like pink. I also do DIY, out-earn my husband and work in a male dominated environment. I am a woman with my own personality, likes and dislikes who refuses to be bound be gender expectations.

A person with a penis may dress how they choose, be called what they choose, live how they choose, love who they choose, and I do and will 100% support their right to do so. But whatever choices they make, they will still be male - neither they, nor their penis, is or will ever be female.

It should be OK for people to live how they choose. But it should also be ok for me to say that there is a fundamental biological difference between us, to say that I am a woman and you are a man and because of those innate differences I don't want to share a hospital ward, or a prison cell, or a domestic violence refuge with you. When we segregate by sex it is your genitals which make the difference, not your identity.

If you feel unsafe in male spaces because you have chosen to have a feminised appearance then that is awful, and wrong, but you need to tackle this by tackling male violence and entitlement, not by displaying that same male violence and entitlement by imposing your male body on my safe space.

A person with a penis is not a woman. A penis is not female. And we should be allowed to say this.

I am Spartacus and this may be my favourite MN thread ever.

I love my gay friends and my stereotype rejecting nephews and nieces. I embrace difference and laugh in the face of mens work and lady brain. Men in better dresses than me? Bring it, and bring champagne.

But when I read a comment today on one of my (formerly) favourite 'bad mommy' blogs that said...

'my transgender daughter will be going to kindergarten soon'

... I felt a sudden urge to make like Kirk Douglas and say stop the train, stop this shit, don't let this be inevitable. It's not fucking inevitable. Intelligent men and women know that THIS IS BULLSHIT.

I am Xenophile

I believe in human rights for all.

I believe that human beings are a dimorphic mammalian species.

I know that sex is determined by chromosomes, not feelings.

I believe that gender is a social construct that harms everyone.

I believe gender should be abolished so that men and women can reach their full potential in society.

I know that lesbians can't have penises.

I know that men cannot gestate young.

I am Spartacus.

I am Crafty. I know that sex is material reality and that a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. Menstruation, childbirth and breastfeeding are female experiences and only females can do them.
Only males have penises, a penis is always a male sex organ even if it is underneath a dress.

I am Spartacus for all the points made eloquently above.

Born with a penis=male/man/boy/he

I am Dipsy. I am a scientist, feminist and a mother to male & female children. I will support others in whatever life choices they choose to make, as long as their choices do not hurt, repress or seek to limit the life choices of others.

Males have XY sex chronomsomes and this cannot be changed whatever the modifications to the exterior, or sex hormones ingested.

Females have XX sex chromosomes and this cannot be changed whatever the modifications to the exterior, or sex hormones ingested.

It is impossible to please everyone, and unfair that considered & logical opinions are suppressed.

I'm Spartacus.

I support everyone's right to dress as they please, call themselves what they want, quietly get on with life as they see fit so long as they don't interfere with other people doing the same.

But a penis is a male organ.
The subset of the human race who get pregnant are women, not "pregnant persons".
Lesbians are not transphobes for refusing to countenance sex with penises.
Davina Ayrton is a man.
Claire Darbyshire is a man.

Everyone should feel free to be whoever they want, as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

But people who produce eggs are women and people who produce sperm are men. How they feel has can never change that.

I am Narcacus.

I am beyond and I am well beyond Spartacus-time.

I will stand with you and fight for your right to be accepted as you are, for your right to be treated like a human being. What I will not do is put you above my feminism and above scientific fact, whether you identify as male, female, or the sugar plum bloody fairy.

Women are already second class, we will not stand for being made third.

I am not 'cis', I do not define my identity in relation to 'trans' identity.

'Trans' is such a broad term it can mean anything the user wants it to mean, and is being used as a Trojan horse to gatecrash women's spaces, destroy women's services, and gaslight women.

Some of those who are doing this are confused, some are deliberately setting out to reverse women's rights in favour of male privilege and know fully well what they are doing.

I am not going to 'play nicely' or be considerate to people who call me and my sisters scum.

I am not going to play nicely while lesbians are terrorised for not wanting sex with men with penises.

I am not going to say women have penises. They don't.

I am not going to say men can be pregnant and give birth. They can't.

I am Rumbling.

I will always passionately support the right of an individual to be themselves, and to be beautiful for who and what they are, however they choose to express it.

I will not support erasing women. Women have the right to say no.

I do not want to be banned. I am prepared to accept being banned in order to stand behind this, because it is fundamentally wrong.

I am Spartacus.

I am Spartacus
I'll go along with the pronouns anyone wants to known by.
I won't stand by silently as people born with penises are sent to women's prisons and allowed access to DV shelters and rape support groups and women's psychiatric services.

I am Althea.
I am not a ciswoman, I am a woman.
There is no such thing as a female penis.
I am a feminist and will not stand idly by while the hard won rights of women are slowly eroded away.
A man can not become a woman any more than a bull can become a cow

I am Basil and I am full of sorrow for the young people who will be given hormones which change their voices, body hair levels and muscle mass and have their breasts, testicles, wombs and penises surgically removed when they are too young to understand the long term effects of what they are doing. And full of disgust with the adults who have made this possible by refusing to listen to the still, small voice of reason they surely must have somewhere inside them.

I am Izzy.

Wear what you like and call yourself bob, jill,mandy or frank BUT if you were born male you will always be male and if you were born female you will always be female.

Lesbians do not have penises.

Speaking of Spartacus, he was male. Though I will wait for certain transactivists to start making the claims that he identified otherwise...

#stonewall

I am Spartacus.

I believe that the need to categorise is what is at the root of all this hurt and anger and controversy.
People should be comfortable to identify as whoever they wish and have every right to lead their lives in peace and unharrassed, but women and men are still a biological reality and no amount of arguing about personal pronouns will change that.

I believe in biology.

XX=woman
XY=man

I do not believe in gender stereotypes. I reject the label agender as I reject these stereotypes.

I believe that people should be able to express themselves in any way they choose, so long as they do not hurt other people. I believe they should be able to do this free of discrimination or ridicule. And, out of respect for a fellow human, I will use whichever pronouns someone requests.

But someone with a penis is not a woman.

Women and transwomen have different struggles. A transwoman can never know what it is like to grow up as a girl; what it is like to have female societal expectations placed upon her. She will never know what it is like to deal with the less pleasant parts of female biology. A woman will never know the struggles a transwoman goes through either.

And I'm not sure the more militant trans activists help anyone's cause.

Biology is fact, gender is opinion.
I am hugely concerned that a certain sub-sector has made an opinion so widespread that young people now believe they must mutilate themselves with drugs and surgery. The trans agenda whilst saying that it is non binary enforces binary gender roles. This is homophobic, frightening, and has the potential to do huge harm. I am a woman with a vagina, most of my interests are traditionally male, this does not make me a man, gender fluid or any other such bullshit.
I respect anyone's right to live and be called however and whatever they want. It doesn't however change scientific fact.

im confused about the format of this thread

I'm Spartacus too.

Man: XX chromosomes = "he", "him" etc.
Woman: XY chromosomes = "she", "her" etc.

No amount of hormones or surgery can change that biological fact.

We live in scary fucking times if these things can't be said.

I am SpartacusBean

I am not a cis woman. And agree with all the other eloquently stuff upthread.

I am SanDiego.

Listen to what everyone is saying.

No, I am Spartacus.

I wholeheartedly and passionately believe that each person should be free to express their own sense of self in whichever way they feel comfortable, without fear of not conforming to their respective gender stereotypes.

Because man/woman is a black and white label. It is one or the other. It is biology. It is fact.

But we are all grey. And that's OK. Our differences don't mean we need to be relabelled.

The very complex and very real issue of people living with intersex ambiguity is entirely different to the modern and ubiquitous notion that sex is a choice and interchangeable.

A man with a penis will never, EVER, be a woman. A man without a penis will never, EVER, be a woman. All men are 'he'.

I will not be silenced by men who think they are women.

I am Tanito
I would be completely uninformed on this subject if not for mumsnet, although there is still so much I don't understand. Nevertheless I agree with what has been said by previous posters.
I am Spartacus