MNHQ - are they disabilist?

[Sixweekstowait]

Having had a thread deleted with no communication with me until I asked ( but then I'm disabled and so invisible) , having read on the second class citizen thread of examples of disabilist language which HQ defend, I am beginning to think they are. I now think they were really really wrong to delete my thread and that they have NO IDEA about the everyday discrimination that people with disabilities face in even trying to travel to work, care even less and I would like to know how many of their staff are disabled?

I had to stop reading and posting on the thread and go to work.

If I had reported it it would have been for posters telling Bourdic that she us a twat and telling her to fuck off. The phrase 'walkie talkie' gave me a wry smile, actually, and I was enjoying the start of a discussion about whether it was derogatory / offensive. (I didn't find it so, really).

I like Pagwatch's perspective: if a point is right, it is right.

But as I said, Bourdic, it might have been deleted because of general descent into bunfight, against you as much as anything else.

MNHQ do delete threads when they descend into bunfights. I didn't read the OP, but if they are very volatile, they will provoke a strong reaction.

How is it disablist to delete the thread?

So if the ops thread was deleted cos it turned in to a bu fight, why are others left that do the same

OurBlanche

A regular occurrence. I'm usually on my own with my humour

I thought 'Probably' was soothing enough...

Yes of course there is a right to anger - I've expressed that massively over 'justice' questions over the years well enough, on MN and in RL. And usually not to my benefit, so being less than 'cool' about stuff is fine. I just didn't see being 'sneery' to MNHQ whose mind you wish to alter is best.

Yes but who always acts sensibly when angry

But, again, she doesn't have to persuade MNHQ.

She is expressing anger. Telling her that she should be more likeable to get what she regards simply as fair treatment is patronising and unnecessary.

Few fanjo I know I don't.

I think it's best for me to use the analogy of "stop opening your mouth so words stop tumbling out of it".

Is this becoming a rehash of the last thread? I don't know, I wasn't on it.

I have been extremely angry when HQ have deleted threads of mine which became unpleasant through no fault of my own, so I completely understand the frustration.

Does that make HQ disablist though?

I think that's an unfair accusation and am happy enough to defend hq here.

You're right, of course, fanjo, but whoever expects good results from getting angry?

It sounds like there's been a breakdown in communication and the OP feels that she has been unfairly treated by MNHQ because of her disability. Hopefully, MNHQ will be talking with the OP behind the scenes to clear things up.

Hope so.

Disability issues are certainly to the fore on MN at the moment.

OurBlanche - thank you so much for your eloquence. Yes I am angry, frustrated , pissed off - those of you being so self righteous and/ or patronising about how a different attitude would win me supporters can just fuck off. You have no idea, no idea at all about what my everyday life is like - when you have lived with a progressive disability that leaves you in pain constantly, makes you vulnerable. apprehensive of new situations ( from an accessibility point of views) , sad as you come to terms on a regularly shifting basis about what you can't do but still make a real contribution to society and your community - then you can fucking lecture me. This week has been particularly horrendous - but of course it's all my fault because yesterday when I was trapped in my car, instead of hitting the van with my stick and so rudely telling asking him if he would be so awfully kind as to move a little bit so I could get out of my car to catch my train but not to rush because well I'm just so nice and smiley and awfully grateful and lucky that I even have a job and well he must have parked as he did for a jolly good reason, oh what was that, he didn't actually see me oh never mind I am not a real person anyway am I, I should have done that should I?

It was so clear on your other thread how upset you were and the people who piled in on your other thread because you used a trite phrase were disgusting to do so.

MNHQ could establish their credentials by writing a proper post on this thread - can't be that hard can it?

Thanks fanjo

I don't think anyone can criticise you for being angry.

[Should be clearer: Angry with the driver of the van]

Would be good if MNHQ could be arsed to engage about the issues raised.

I know Bourdic has contacted them. So have I in reports and via email over the past couple of days.

Zero response.

So I'm not surprised this got started and I'm not surprised HQ are here responding to other people's posts either.

I've posted in anger before about disability issues and had replies along the lines of "we're not surprised if that's your attitude". Disabled people have to be so bloody meek, mild and grateful about everything and you know what it's not realistic to expect ANYONE to be like that their whole life. Been something incredibly shit happens there is a need to vent not be told the problem is you!

Bishop - absolutely. I'd love for someone to come on here who has regular issues around disabilism and explain how they used smiles, pleasantness and calm to change people's behaviour.

Right
I am now more abreast of the situation than I was earlier, as I was child wrangling and not HQing this morning when this all kicked off.
In the meantime wanted to refute the initial claims as we really do our utmost at HQ on this front.
Apologies if theres been added insult to injury by quoting others and not replying directly to the OP's queries - again not our intention.

i think op is wrong. I dont think mn hq are disablist.
the problem is that if you are disabled or a carer, you have to post in a certain way, if you don't you get a bun fight,
i have been here for so long i remember fio and her everyone should have a disabled child thread.
the op was angry she had a right to be angry.
a lot of threads are started in anger. but they arnt reported and deleted.\I have to wonder about the posters who reported.....why? did the idea of a disabled person being so angry upset them?

"Bishop - absolutely. I'd love for someone to come on here who has regular issues around disabilism and explain how they used smiles, pleasantness and calm to change people's behaviour."

Well quite.

"Be nice/you won't get anywhere being aggressive" just means 'shut the fuck up, we'll decide whether you are deserving or not'

It's the last gasp of the gleefully privileged.

Bourdic Thu 09-Jun-16 23:07:27
Bishop - absolutely. I'd love for someone to come on here who has regular issues around disabilism and explain how they used smiles, pleasantness and calm to change people's behaviour.

and me too as imo they don't exist

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