I wonder if having a Transgender topic might be useful?

[LaurieFairyCake]

It seems like a growth area and quite often discussed.

It would be helpful for the threads to hang about for longer than 30 days so people could be pointed in the direction of them
too.

[Floundering]

By the way Xxed- sorry missed this as the thread is moving so quickly....

I understand that society conditions women to be passive and accepting of anything men say so it must be disconcerting for you seeing women not blithely accept trans theory

What exactly are you inferring?

[CoteDAzur]

"argument that is offensive to many"

What exactly is an "offensive argument"?

If an argument is weak, counter it with a better one.

If it is wrong, correct it with credible sources.

[morage]

Floundering - Are you the transgendered person who flounced saying they would never post on threads again on MN about Trans issues?

[Floundering]

Cote I wish you would stop trying to make me feel as If I am slightly stupid child that needs things spelt out to me.

I may not be as clever as some of you but I still have a voice, and all I am saying which none of you have acknowledged, is that your right to be heard does NOT trump mine and as others have said further up it does put people off a general discussion.

Queen many many times...

"trans theory" sorry I am living trans reality.

[QueenStromba]

The transgender flouncer is on this thread though.

[CoteDAzur]

Nobody is trying to silence you, Floundering.

You are the one trying to silence us.

[QueenStromba]

Shall I come back once I've been raped due to the fact that women can no longer prevent men coming into our safe spaces Floundering?

[morage]

Thanks QueenStromba. Floundering I can understand your defensiveness then, nobody likes having their parenting questioned. But the NHS itself says that the vast majority of "transgendered" children are not transgendered as adults. The vast majority grow up to be lesbian or gay.

And I don't have much time for the transgendered flouncer. I didn't comment on that thread, but it seemed like extreme attention seeking.

[VashtaNerada]

Christ, these threads get nasty quickly. As usual I'd just like to wave and say hello from those of us who are feminists and comfortable with referring to transwomen as women (& sharing toilets with them etc etc). We do exist!

[Floundering]

Wow Queen how to insult someone right there.

I do not have a "transgender child" I have a transgender child why the quotes?

Morage I have a child who is transitioning after much counselling and assessment from a FTM, if supporting my child from a suicidal wreck to a happy outgoing confident young adult is child abuse then I hold my hand up but that is the most hurtful hateful thing I have heard, and keep hearing from the Radfems. You can be a feminist without being cruel and I count myself a feminist.

80% of children with the right support, guidance and counselling from gender specialists might not transition fully but many alter their lives in different ways, and if they are happy with stopping somewhere along the way to full gender realignment then great, a happy outcome. However some don't and like my son have decide to persue change further.

I say again which no one seems to want to answer, is it possible to have this debate but not on EVERY trans thread please, so those of us who want to discuss other trans matters can do so without the sort of vitriol I am getting here, just for expressing another POV

[QueenStromba]

Would you be happy sharing a prison with Paris Green?

[Floundering]

Queen transwomen aren't all rapists any more than men are, don't be ridiculous.

Thanks Vasha entirely my point, there are lots of us out there but we don't get a chance to chat about it without getting shouted down.

[CoteDAzur]

"those of us who want to discuss other trans matters "

What kind of "trans matters"?

And why can't they be discussed in the safety of your own topic, LGBT Children?

[VashtaNerada]

There's plenty of people I wouldn't want to share a prison with, Queen! I don't particularly object to transwomen in women's prisons though. As stated above though, we've had this debate again and again. Not sure I have the energy for it again!

[QueenStromba]

The quote marks have been explained to you before Floundering - I'm not comfortable stating that children are trans when the vast majority grow out of it. The figure of 80% growing out of it is when there is no intervention. Any intervention increases the chances that the child will transition.

[Floundering]

I wouldn't be happy sharing a prison cell with anyone, and I am not going to with any luck!

I have commented elsewhere about the PG fiasco, he is a prime example of a sick murderer screwing the already overworked system to his advantage. But that is another topic.

[CoteDAzur]

"transwomen aren't all rapists any more than men are"

Queen's point is that transwomen can rape women, and so it is unreasonable to expect women to welcome them into female areas like changing rooms, toilets, and women's prisons.

[CultureSucksDownWords]

I am totally confused what extra sections are being asked for? There are two topics already. What sections/topics do people want in addition to those?

[morage]

Floundering, 80% do not stop somewhere along the line to full transition. 80% are not transgendered as adults and instead likely to be lesbian or gay. Being lesbian or gay is not partly transitioning.

[QueenStromba]

I'm sick of my words being twisted. I did not say that all transwomen are rapists, I said that not being able to prevent men from entering what should be safe female spaces increases the danger of rape in those spaces.

[CoteDAzur]

Culture - What they want is not additional topics (those exist already) as much as to shut up women who raise awareness of trans agenda's detrimental effects on women's rights and lives on Chat and FWR.

[Floundering]

The quote marks are offensive because it implies the person isn't a real person just pretending.

Cote many people hide specialist topics LGBT children AND the feminists boards because they prefer not to engage, why should I not have the space to debate my angle like you have in Chat - but in a way that brings in folks for a general chat about trans people rather than a barrage of feminist arguement.

Trans issues such as the failure of the NHS to provide adequate counselling services for MH issues, a general discussion about trans people in the media eye without it always coming back to your agenda (valid though it may be)

[CultureSucksDownWords]

It's just not possible to prevent people from posting if another person/group of people don't like what they post. Posting in Chat is to accept that anyone and everyone might post.

I don't think I've seen a thread where the OP was raising something like the need for additions counselling etc where it has been derailed and people have been abusive. Maybe that happens all the time and I just haven't come across it.

[Floundering]

Morage So OK 80 % do not go onto have surgery, GREAT!!!

So they become or realise they are gay or lesbian.....so what ? The fact is by allowing these children to figure it out with specialist support and early intervention they get to work out their issues and become happy, forget which label is put on it as long as they are happy healthy adults in successful relationships and some sort of life that is meaningful who cares??

(And I will check the figures later not sure of that but will happily stand corrected! I saw a recent report that showed much better outcomes now for young adults I will try & find it)