FWR split continued

[RebeccaMumsnet]

We have decided to start a new thread about this as the other thread was near capacity and taking a while to load.

Here is Justine's post from earlier on

We can give a Radical Feminism topic a go if that's what people want and see if it works. Obviously we need to be crystal clear that no one is obliged to post in one particular place and no one should feel excluded from any topic but we could test it out, and see if it helps resolve tensions. We'll do that in the next few days.

There are a couple of other things to think about as well.

First, those who come onto FWR to derail and inflame. We acknowledge that we have been too slow in the past to spot these posters for what they were. We're sorry about that and hope we're a lot quicker at dealing with them now. We're all for opinions but we do draw the line at posters whose only obvious intent is to goad.

And secondly, this idea that FWR can be an unwelcoming place to those who aren't following the 'party line'. Judging by posts on recent threads and by our inbox this is a view of a significant number of Mumsnetters and obviously that's not a healthy situation. Mumsnet is a place for discussion and for diverse opinion and it's the exchange of ideas and tolerance of differing opinions that makes it the board it is.

We do hope threads like this help to clear the air a bit and remind everyone that, whatever the differences of opinion, the FWR board will only ever be the stimulating, thought-provoking, enriching place we'd all like it to be if people feel that they can express themselves without being jumped on.

Please do continue to let us know your thoughts.

DidI, you might or might not know that the transgender/feminist debate is one that is particularly heated at the moment, on and off FWR. Like, really heated. The big guns are out on all sides (and rightly so - this is people's self-definition that's being debated here).

But if it was your first thread ever, or even in a while, I can see why it could have had that effect.

As MinitheMinx has suggested, give it another go.

I think I saw your proposed FWR topic titles somewhere else, Minx, and am glad you've posted them again. I think they're good and strong.

You suggested:
Cafe
Book club
Theory
Support
Activism

Seconded. Or thirded, or whatever.

Victor no I didn't - I'm sort of living in my own - personal hell little bubble at the moment - I got sucked into that one from active convos - and I really identified with the OP - was it Kim?? Because of my bubble.

I try not to be contentious and in a day or 2 I will start panicking about being sucked into this (that's what I do).

Thanks Minx. Going to read and keep quiet for a bit. Cheers. Meals

sorry for hmm face, all this grumpiness everywhere is horrible and a bit catching

No worries. I understand. And am off now as I think there are more appropriate places for me to be. Meals.

Sorry to hear that, DidI. FWR can be a tough place - even people without loads of shit to deal with in RL take a break from it pretty frequently.

(Personally, I think it's down to the subject matter: it's so hard to discuss oppression all the time).

Good luck, and hopefully we'll bump into one another on a better thread.

Good post, Hothead.

I don't think there is going to be any need to split the section - the scapegoats/radfems are mostly leaving AFAIA. And saying as we are the problem, it looks like the perfect solution has been found.

That is a huge shame and probably the death of FWR then.

It won't be the death of the section Himalaya. An internet forum doesn't depend on individual posters.

There are loads of people who didn't post before who will come now. The section will get busier. All the regulars who have complained for so long about the radical view will start threads now.

I don't think mumsnet is a welcome place for feminists.

It was great in the beginning but now I think I need to find other outlets. I think mumsnet might be ok for a permanent 101 but little else. I understand that the message is really hard to hear at first, I know that I resisted a lot but over time thought about things more and everything fitted into place. But yeah, the ethos at the moment is to stifle discussion by calling people mean. I am not someone who usually comes across as aggressive but I can see the point of those who complain of this although I think it isn't any different from AIBU in that respect. I hope that I can find somewhere else that is as busy, but I just can't stand being criticised all the time. I'm not even a regular poster any more although I am still an avid lurker but my feminist views are criticised all the time on this board (but funnily enough not off it). Whatevs.

I love the smell of Dudgeon in the morning.

MNHQ, now that this thread has almost filled up and the deleted thread grew so long and personal, is there any comment from you on what happens next?

Mumnset are happy for it to be open season on on rad fems.

Ain't that the truth...

That's a good link dittany, thanks.

Still can't tell the difference between respect and politeness and ladylike silence, huh?

Shame.

Yes, it was a shame that it got deleted before many people got the chance to see MNHQ's answer when they were asked why the thread was going to be deleted.

They said they were deleting it because it was a sustained attack on an individual poster.

It went poof seconds later so very few people will have seen that.

It was me, wasn't it?

All those accusations about my vitriol nastiness and secret fb group.