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If Scotland voted for independence, would you move elsewhere for a bit to see how things shake out?

225 replies

OptimismvsRealism · 02/10/2024 14:41

I would (and would definitely move my savings out of Scotland until things stabilised)

Probably hypothetical for at least a while just wondering if anyone strongly feels they'd stick around to ride it out.

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TobyEsterhase · 04/10/2024 14:19

beachcitygirl · 04/10/2024 13:42

@GargoylesofBeelzebub

Nope not me.

However you could educate yourself on the realities of the Gers figures (which reflect scotlands finances whilst under control of Westminster & without ability to borrow. The deficit is a notional one.

Also don't call people pet it is peurile.

Some people on this thread are trying to have an adult conversation.

The REALITY is that, as part of UK, Scotland raises £88bn in taxes and has £111bn of public spending resulting in a fiscal deficit equivalent to 10.4% of GDP which would be impossible for an independent country as money markets don't lend to countries with deficits much above 3% without imposing austerity measures (see Greece in 2010)

Can beachcitygirl provide quantified details of how the tax revenue and public spending in an independent Scotland would ?

Will help you out. No longer contributing to Trident would save £0.2bn

www.thenational.scot/news/17507578.revealed-scotland-pays-trident-every-year/

zeitweilig · 04/10/2024 14:21

LongtailedTitmouse · 04/10/2024 14:17

Still attempting it? 😂

Are you struggling with the English language?
All governments attempt to govern, some succeed more than others - generally or in specific areas.

LongtailedTitmouse · 04/10/2024 14:21

zeitweilig · 04/10/2024 14:21

Are you struggling with the English language?
All governments attempt to govern, some succeed more than others - generally or in specific areas.

No, other governments govern.

PippyPip · 04/10/2024 14:22

Yeah I’d have to stay, it’s my home and I’m proud to be from here. I would be disappointed if we got independence but I do understand folks reasonings.

LongtailedTitmouse · 04/10/2024 14:32

All of Scotland’s North Sea output would also have to leave Scotland and any petrol, diesel, gas, oil etc have to be bought back by Scotland as with Grangemouth gone there would be no was to refine it.

RobG · 11/11/2024 02:35

Theres currently a mass exodus of people from England moving to Scotland seeing as they have the best standard of living in the UK right now in most respects.
Interesting to see some of the comments on this thread, but England is in a far worse position than the Scottish, and Englands parliament has abandoned English people. Tragic.

RobG · 11/11/2024 02:37

LongtailedTitmouse · 04/10/2024 14:32

All of Scotland’s North Sea output would also have to leave Scotland and any petrol, diesel, gas, oil etc have to be bought back by Scotland as with Grangemouth gone there would be no was to refine it.

Closing Grangemouth is an attack on Scotland and the people who live there. Their oil will need to be refined in England (England has more refineries despite a fraction of the oil and gas) and the surplus those refineries cant cope with will be sent to The Netherlands.

RobG · 11/11/2024 02:39

TobyEsterhase · 04/10/2024 14:19

The REALITY is that, as part of UK, Scotland raises £88bn in taxes and has £111bn of public spending resulting in a fiscal deficit equivalent to 10.4% of GDP which would be impossible for an independent country as money markets don't lend to countries with deficits much above 3% without imposing austerity measures (see Greece in 2010)

Can beachcitygirl provide quantified details of how the tax revenue and public spending in an independent Scotland would ?

Will help you out. No longer contributing to Trident would save £0.2bn

www.thenational.scot/news/17507578.revealed-scotland-pays-trident-every-year/

Heheheh! The 'GERS' figures? They're a total con, an accounting trick. Scotland is an extremely wealthy country and England will be struggling when Scotland finally leaves the disastrous UK.
The Scottish dont have a deficit at all, only the deficit that the Brit. Government in England makes up and then apportions them. It's a con. Its always been con.

RobG · 11/11/2024 02:43

Scottishskifun · 04/10/2024 10:24

The Arboath one in 2022 was a all under 1 banner organised event where they called for civil disobedience, referred to the English as the enemy in speeches and played anti English songs including kick them out references. It was also attended by SNP Mr Doogan who then had to try to distance himself from attendance and the message.

To me that screams anti English. Fully get its not everyone but seriously even my fully paid up SNP membership friend recognises and has been with me when I have been on the receiving end of comments. She even reported it to the SNP office herself!

What a load of made up rubbish! 🤣

RobG · 11/11/2024 02:44

Yerdawasasausagemaker · 03/10/2024 20:53

Well we’ve voted no twice now, 2014 and more recently in the de facto referendum. So the question is moot really. Still Naw.

1979 Scotland voted 'yes' to devolution but were told no by England.

2016 Scotland voted 'yes' to remaining in the EU, but were told 'no' by England.

RobG · 11/11/2024 02:45

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 22:17

Well said. And anyone who watches the news can see how much worse services, such as the NHS are run in England and Wales. Or remembering all the PPE fraud and corruption. Ian Lang admitted he designed GERS, to try to undermine Scotland. The UK Govt refuses to cut the 2 child cap and has cut the Winter fuel paymet( forcing Scot Govt to do likewise, due to our limited fiscal levers) so why would you believe they are “ subsidising” Scotland Other countries, with far fewer natural resources have been successful so why not Scotland.
if you want to see a poorly run Government just look at the UK.

Fiscal levers-check
GERS denial -check
Small country comparison-check
Subsidising -check

BINGO!!!!

100%! 👏

Pat888 · 11/11/2024 05:05

I think if you are in the central belt things are rosy but where I am in the SW is pretty rough. Roads potholes etc very bad, main town a dump. Hospital short of consultants and doctors so you travel miles for treatment.

What annoys me is the constant rhetoric about Nationalists in the media - they lost the vote, there are more remainers than Nationalists, just stop going on about it. After years of a shit SNP gov there’s no way there’s a majority, never was. Give it a rest.

Pat888 · 11/11/2024 05:10

RobG · 11/11/2024 02:44

1979 Scotland voted 'yes' to devolution but were told no by England.

2016 Scotland voted 'yes' to remaining in the EU, but were told 'no' by England.

Scotland voted yes to stay in the EU. The message on the ballot form didn’t say ‘if you vote yes to remain that means you want independence for Scotland’ - if it had said that it would have been a different result.

OptimismvsRealism · 11/11/2024 08:03

RobG · 11/11/2024 02:35

Theres currently a mass exodus of people from England moving to Scotland seeing as they have the best standard of living in the UK right now in most respects.
Interesting to see some of the comments on this thread, but England is in a far worse position than the Scottish, and Englands parliament has abandoned English people. Tragic.

Er no there isn't!

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OptimismvsRealism · 11/11/2024 08:05

RobG · 11/11/2024 02:39

Heheheh! The 'GERS' figures? They're a total con, an accounting trick. Scotland is an extremely wealthy country and England will be struggling when Scotland finally leaves the disastrous UK.
The Scottish dont have a deficit at all, only the deficit that the Brit. Government in England makes up and then apportions them. It's a con. Its always been con.

Edited

They're produced by the SNP led Scottish government.

Scotland doesn't have good productivity and is heavily reliant on the public sector for jobs and top-up benefits. Not saying this can't change but don't start from a position that's wrong.

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TheMoonismadeofcheese · 11/11/2024 08:11

Yes but we’re leaving anyway next year. I don’t think it will ever happen, thank God but there are too many other things that we can’t bear anymore. Independence would be a disaster for Scotland the economy.

Scottishskifun · 11/11/2024 09:24

I think Rob was bored at 2am and just wanted to go on a independence/big bad Westminster rant again (like hey do on multiple other Scotnet threads if they dare mention SNP)

SirChenjins · 11/11/2024 09:33

Wowser - did the tartan bat signal go up earlier this morning?

TobyEsterhase · 11/11/2024 10:20

The delusional drivel posted by RobG demonstrates why Scexit is a toxic brand for Middle Scotland

treadingonlego · 11/11/2024 12:18

I think if you are in the central belt things are rosy but where I am in the SW is pretty rough. Roads potholes etc very bad, main town a dump. Hospital short of consultants and doctors so you travel miles for treatment

Can confirm that this description applies to Glasgow.

treadingonlego · 11/11/2024 12:19

SirChenjins · 11/11/2024 09:33

Wowser - did the tartan bat signal go up earlier this morning?

I'm sure we're all convinced now...

Mozartine · 11/11/2024 12:19

RobG was an Iranian bot surely? Or a drunk, not very intelligent rabid nationalist.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 11/11/2024 12:21

treadingonlego · 11/11/2024 12:18

I think if you are in the central belt things are rosy but where I am in the SW is pretty rough. Roads potholes etc very bad, main town a dump. Hospital short of consultants and doctors so you travel miles for treatment

Can confirm that this description applies to Glasgow.

Edinburgh has gone to shit too.

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/11/2024 12:25

AccidentallyWesAnderson · Today 12:21

treadingonlego · Today 12:18
I think if you are in the central belt things are rosy but where I am in the SW is pretty rough. Roads potholes etc very bad, main town a dump. Hospital short of consultants and doctors so you travel miles for treatment
Can confirm that this description applies to Glasgow.

Edinburgh has gone to shit too

Road wise, yes. Drive from Perth to Edinburgh is bumpy as hell.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 11/11/2024 13:24

Heheheh! The 'GERS' figures? They're a total con, an accounting trick. Scotland is an extremely wealthy country and England will be struggling when Scotland finally leaves the disastrous UK.
The Scottish dont have a deficit at all, only the deficit that the Brit. Government in England makes up and then apportions them. It's a con. It's always been con.

😂😂😂😂Funny how they were the basis for both the white paper and the growth commission then.

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