If Scotland voted for independence, would you move elsewhere for a bit to see how things shake out?

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I would (and would definitely move my savings out of Scotland until things stabilised)

Probably hypothetical for at least a while just wondering if anyone strongly feels they'd stick around to ride it out.

You cannot deny that other people have experienced anti-English attitudes just because you haven't witnessed it or recognised it. Why are you being so ridiculously obtuse? It's impossible to have a sensible or reasonable discussion with you.

The same old argument, pro-Scotland isn't anti-English. 🫣

Yes we have directly experienced anti-English sentiment from nationalists. They may say that "pro-Scotland isn't anti-English" but many also argue that if you are a unionist then you aren't a proper Scot anyway.

I never said it was.

Well we’ve voted no twice now, 2014 and more recently in the de facto referendum. So the question is moot really. Still Naw.

@zeitweilig you either have your head in the sand about anti English sentiment or go to some very prim and proper independence rallys.
2 years ago at a rally in Arbroath there was a very large anti English sentiment including songs which the SNP were asked how they were tackling the toxicity of it.

It's great that you have never witnessed it or experienced it..... I have on multiple occasions because shock horror I'm English. It is always worst around elections - local council ones generally I can avoid but I've had people with SNP and Alba badges tell me that I should go home if I'm not prepared to vote for independence or an independent based party.

But please don't pretend this doesn't happen it does and fairly regularly it's insulting to those of us on the receiving end to read no no that doesn't exist. Of course its not the whole of the independence supporters but there is a few and I (and many others) have been on the wrong end of it.

Does the 412,000 figure count people who just hop over the border to Northern Ireland?

No, I know.
Many people perceive pro-Scotland as anti-England.

Please don't tell me that your experience is the only valid one.

Nobody is a 'proper Scot', because that's an impossible thing to define.

I think some people mistake independence with a political party. For me (and many like me) it's about equal and local representation.
It's not ethnic nationalism but civic nationalism.
I think votes should matter & the reality is England (through no fault of their own) dominate the uk - it's an unequal union.

Scotland was vehemently anti- brexit and it happened anyway.

62 countries have gained their independence from the UK and none have requested to return.

My partner is English and far more vehemently pro Indy than even myself.

He despises the tories & current Labour even more.
He's no great fan of the snp.

Independence is normal & as a Scottish person it sticks in my craw that there seems to be no legal way to leave what is meant to be a voluntary union.

No matter anyone's feelings on the matter, if you believe in democracy- there has to be a means to leave the union or it is no longer a union.

Scare tactics & lies by either side doesn't help.

I am considerably better off living in Scotland & I prefer to pay my taxes to fund education & prescriptions & mitigation of bedroom tax etc than to a nuclear arsony & a monarchy I despise.

Any party could run an independent Scotland, that's as it should be & only people who live & work in Scotland should
Make that decision.

By the way - if after 2 years of searching the snp finances & erecting ridiculous murder tents in the garden, they still don't have enough evidence to charge anyone then clearly there is no wrong doing.

Also I object to a prime minister who thinks he is only PM of England. Cheering at English matches, etc etc

I would prefer to be respectful friendly neighbours rather than flatmates

@beachcitygirl The majority of Scottish people believe in democracy and have exercised that democratic right twice now to say naw. You may not like it or understand it, but that’s the way it is.

"England dominate the UK" - Central Belt dominates Scotland

"62 countries have gained their independence from UK" - all bar Ireland were colonies. Scotland has never been a colony.

"Meant to be a voluntary union" - UK is a sovereign nation like Germany, France etc. God knows what a "voluntary union" is.

"Independence is normal" - UK is a normal independent sovereign nation.

"He depises the Tories", "a monarchy I despise" - the hatred concomitant with Separatism

"I am considerably better off living in Scotland" - you wouldn't post Scexit and the loss of a fiscal transfer from London taxpayers worth £5K per household

"I object to a Prime Minister who thinks he is only PM of England" - an immature fantasy

Why can't these people simply say "I don't want to be part of the same sovereign nation as the people of Yorkshire, Wales, Cornwall, Northern Ireland, Midlands etc" ?

They shoot themselves in the foot by spouting these fantasies which expose their Anglophobia and ignorance

I’m astonished at how many people have no faith in their own country!!

As with many other countries that have gained independence there is upheaval in transition period but it’s worth it in my opinion for self determination and sovereignty!

No matter anyone's feelings on the matter, if you believe in democracy- there has to be a means to leave the union or it is no longer a union.

There was a referendum and No won. There's your democracy.

I'm not but your whole response seems to be nope nothing to see here nope doesn't happen.

It's great that you have never witnessed it or experienced it. Unfortunately I have not been so lucky on numerous of occasions.
And it does and has occurred at rallys.

By the way - if after 2 years of searching the snp finances & erecting ridiculous murder tents in the garden, they still don't have enough evidence to charge anyone then clearly there is no wrong doing.

Are you looking after the £600,000 for them? If not, who is and why haven’t they said they have it?

And how’s Brexit working out for you so far?

My own country is the UK

The idea that England, Wales and Northern Ireland are foreign countries is absurd to me.

Scotland was formed by a union of Pictland and Dalriada then Strathclyde and Bernicia then Orkney, Shetland and Western Isles

By the logic of treadingonlego "there has to be a means for Pictland to leave the union"

I was quoting someone else! I agree with you! 😃

What do you think is anti-English at these rallys?
Perhaps with specific examples I can see your point better?
As it stands, there's anti everything everywhere but wanting independence is not solely based on being anti-English! I don't care where someone is from as long as they're decent humans.

I always think of my country as Scotland and have met loads of English, Welsh, NI folk who feel the same about England, Wales, NI. It doesn't mean we also don't feel part of the bigger Union. I also feel European, being part of Europe.

• English people being spat at
• English people being told to 'fuck off home'
• English people being told they shouldn't get to vote in Scotland
• English people being called Sassenachs, which is a derogatory term
• A variety of offensive stereotypes being peddled, including that all English people are obese football hooligans.

That front page of "The National" when England were in some football final summed it up, didn't it.

https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/sport/will-clark-national-front-page-took-rivalry-with-england-t-355730/

And yes they issued an apology, but only after a huge outcry.