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If Scotland voted for independence, would you move elsewhere for a bit to see how things shake out?

225 replies

OptimismvsRealism · 02/10/2024 14:41

I would (and would definitely move my savings out of Scotland until things stabilised)

Probably hypothetical for at least a while just wondering if anyone strongly feels they'd stick around to ride it out.

OP posts:
zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 10:54

treadingonlego · 03/10/2024 10:46

Oh, bore off with your condescending emoji. To pretend that there isn't a strong anti-English sentiment amongst many Nationalists is insulting and does nothing to address the issue. You only need to look at the All Under One Banner Facebook page or the comments on the SNP Facebook page to see it.

My comment stands.

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 10:54

OptimismvsRealism · 03/10/2024 10:17

Somewhere with a functional health service

Yes, where?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 03/10/2024 10:56

1nutcracker · 03/10/2024 10:24

I think your Daily Fail/Express doing a great job on you. Do you watch the news? English trusts are almost daily failing people and scandals over unnecessary deaths due to poor care. As for Wales, run by Labour for 25 years, they have the worse NHS in the UK. Just this morning a story about £1b of trains in storage for 5 years because of windscreen wipers that are dangerous. But hey, the ferries…
However, you lost me at Scotland being a “sub region” No possibility of having rational discussion with someone of that mentality.

I don't watch the news but I do read it daily and from multiple sources. Scotland has its fair share of NHS failures.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/24208205.glasgow-superhospital-apology-probe-shortcomings/

And technically Scotland is a sub region of the UK as recognised by the EU etc.

RaraRachael · 03/10/2024 10:56

I wouldn't move because I couldn't afford a property anywhere else and my children are settled here with children of their own.

violetsunrise · 03/10/2024 10:57

menohnopausal · 02/10/2024 15:14

I voted for independence in the referendum, but the last few years of Scottish Government have been such a shitshow on multiple fronts, that I would seriously consider leaving. I deeply love Scotland, but I wouldn't feel safe financially or culturally.

I voted Yes too. It didn’t take me long after the referendum to thank my lucky stars that the majority voted No. I’ve no wish to live in an impoverished, isolated backwater. This does not in any way make me less Scottish than people that want independence.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 03/10/2024 11:12

I'd love to move but circumstances dictate that I can't. The thought of an independent Scotland under the current SNP makes my blood run cold. The current state of affairs is bad enough.

RaraRachael · 03/10/2024 11:14

I voted No last time and would do the same again. It was mainly due to my great dislike of NS but time has shown that they're all the same useless incompetent bunch.

What annoyed me last time was that anyone who dared declare they'd vote No was pilloried and told they were a disgrace to the country etc etc

treadingonlego · 03/10/2024 11:18

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 10:54

My comment stands.

Well, that's me convinced.

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 11:19

treadingonlego · 03/10/2024 11:18

Well, that's me convinced.

To be fair, you've not done much to convince me of anything either.
My comment (still) stands.

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 11:20

RaraRachael · 03/10/2024 11:14

I voted No last time and would do the same again. It was mainly due to my great dislike of NS but time has shown that they're all the same useless incompetent bunch.

What annoyed me last time was that anyone who dared declare they'd vote No was pilloried and told they were a disgrace to the country etc etc

Not where I live - folk could vote whatever way they liked. Some folk are eejits about anything though....

treadingonlego · 03/10/2024 11:24

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 11:19

To be fair, you've not done much to convince me of anything either.
My comment (still) stands.

I suggested two places to easily and quickly find evidence of anti-English rhetoric. You could also reflect on the 'ABE' banter during the world cup. A lot of it is thinly-veiled at best. But if all you wish to do is deny the existence of anti-English sentiment, I appreciate that it wouldn't suit you to find any.

Chocolatelover13 · 03/10/2024 11:27

Yes, without a shadow of a doubt we would leave Scotland.

The country is a mess, taxation is ridiculous and so much money is being wasted on vanity projects, which over run.

If SNP ever managed to get it through then I can just see things getting 10x harder. However, I am living in hope that their ineptitude will continue and means that it remains off the cards.
in the meantime I am getting dual nationality for my son so he can continue to have an EU passport which will provide him with more freedom should it ever happen.

bluebellsandspring · 03/10/2024 12:11

If circumstances were different I'd leave in that situation, but caring duties mean it isn't an option at present.

If the country had been well managed over the last decade I may have been convinced to vote for independence but the opposite has happened.

tediber · 03/10/2024 12:19

I said no then and it's still a no but I wouldn't leave. My life is here, my family, job friends etc.

Hedjwitch · 03/10/2024 12:27

Yes DH and I would leave.We hope to retire in the next few years and wont be spending it here.
Being English in a Nationalist independent Scotland holds no appeal.

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 15:02

treadingonlego · 03/10/2024 11:24

I suggested two places to easily and quickly find evidence of anti-English rhetoric. You could also reflect on the 'ABE' banter during the world cup. A lot of it is thinly-veiled at best. But if all you wish to do is deny the existence of anti-English sentiment, I appreciate that it wouldn't suit you to find any.

You suggested two places you perceived something, not two places where it's actually there.
As for footie, blame the British channels coverage style and you'll see why many Scots are less than keen on being told to support England - the opening match was between Germany and Scotland yet with 15 mins they were discussing England.

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 15:04

Hedjwitch · 03/10/2024 12:27

Yes DH and I would leave.We hope to retire in the next few years and wont be spending it here.
Being English in a Nationalist independent Scotland holds no appeal.

An independent Scotland won't necessarily be nationalist, bear that in mind. Scotland has always had core supporters of the other 3 main parties and they'll return eventually.

LongtailedTitmouse · 03/10/2024 16:26

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard seem to have found their way to Mumsnet! 😂

LongtailedTitmouse · 03/10/2024 16:30

KnottedTwine · 03/10/2024 07:52

Scots services still outperform those managed by London parties elsewhere

Fuck me, people really believe this sort of shit. That the SNP are doing a marvellous job.

The SNP or Iran?

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/science/article/bogus-tweets-paint-iranian-military-as-scottish-independence-fans-7thbt7vc3

GrouchyKiwi · 03/10/2024 16:42

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 15:04

An independent Scotland won't necessarily be nationalist, bear that in mind. Scotland has always had core supporters of the other 3 main parties and they'll return eventually.

It's the "eventually" that's a problem.

Any deal would have to be negotiated by the incumbents in both Parliaments, and given the parlous state of politics at this time that's not a heartening thought.

EvelynBeatrice · 03/10/2024 18:42

For the person who asked if it’s that easy to uproot and move country (and many of us don’t regard England as a foreign country- more like a neighbouring borough), the answer is yes.

The Institute of Fiscal Studies have flagged that a large number of higher rate Scottish taxpayers are what is referred to as ‘highly mobile’ so it would be all too easy for them to transfer to English companies / employers and relocate. They have to bear this in mind at the moment when setting tax rates - there’s a danger of people moving to the lower tax regime if the differential is too great. That’s why the SNP haven’t gone further despite the urging of the economically illiterate Greens.

treadingonlego · 03/10/2024 18:52

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 15:02

You suggested two places you perceived something, not two places where it's actually there.
As for footie, blame the British channels coverage style and you'll see why many Scots are less than keen on being told to support England - the opening match was between Germany and Scotland yet with 15 mins they were discussing England.

It's this sort of denial of other people's real experiences and / or a complete refusal to accept things you don't want to that is also an issue for the SNP. Go back to your echo chamber.

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 19:47

treadingonlego · 03/10/2024 18:52

It's this sort of denial of other people's real experiences and / or a complete refusal to accept things you don't want to that is also an issue for the SNP. Go back to your echo chamber.

You're denying other's real life experience, based on your perception. 🫣
It's ironic that you're speaking of echo chambers though.

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 19:48

GrouchyKiwi · 03/10/2024 16:42

It's the "eventually" that's a problem.

Any deal would have to be negotiated by the incumbents in both Parliaments, and given the parlous state of politics at this time that's not a heartening thought.

The Scottish government are definitely less inept than the recent Westminster lots.

GrouchyKiwi · 03/10/2024 19:50

zeitweilig · 03/10/2024 19:48

The Scottish government are definitely less inept than the recent Westminster lots.

I don't think recent news bears that out. Grin