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If Scotland voted for independence, would you move elsewhere for a bit to see how things shake out?

225 replies

OptimismvsRealism · 02/10/2024 14:41

I would (and would definitely move my savings out of Scotland until things stabilised)

Probably hypothetical for at least a while just wondering if anyone strongly feels they'd stick around to ride it out.

OP posts:
OldJohn · 02/10/2024 19:02

I'd stay in a free and independant Scotland. I'd be so happy to be free from domination by English gentry.

Bibbitybobbity70 · 02/10/2024 19:25

Yes as would all my extended family, most of whom work for nhs

KnottedTwine · 02/10/2024 20:10

OldJohn · 02/10/2024 19:02

I'd stay in a free and independant Scotland. I'd be so happy to be free from domination by English gentry.

And here's your proof that the Nats hate the English. Not the Welsh or the N Irish, just the English. 🙄 And can't even spell "independent".

Nc789123 · 02/10/2024 20:13

If scotland went independent, I would ideally move however, I cant think in the immediate aftermath it would be very easy to move house - or not without taking a whacking loss

OldJohn · 02/10/2024 20:13

KnottedTwine · 02/10/2024 20:10

And here's your proof that the Nats hate the English. Not the Welsh or the N Irish, just the English. 🙄 And can't even spell "independent".

I don't think I can hate the English as I am English. I do need to check my spelling

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 20:13

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EvelynBeatrice · 02/10/2024 20:23

To the person who asked if I was leaving the UK - no. I don’t think the UK is a very poor country and I’m more than happy to pay more tax if I can trust that it will be utilised by a sensible - not perfect - but generally responsible government to the benefit of all. Hopefully Labour will get it right, albeit initial press is depressing.

I have no faith whatsoever that the SNP can manage Scotland even adequately at the moment - the party couldn’t even handle its own finances without impropriety - and I think they will be unable to do so in the event of independence, which will have as damaging an effect as Brexit on the Scottish economy and entail the loss of the huge Barnet formula billions Scotland currently benefits from.

Yes, maybe there’s a small chance that in 20-30 years Scotland might make a go of it on its own - but most of us don’t want to hang around that long suffering the pain! We’re a tiny country of less than 5 million people - Greater London has 10.5 million! The percentage rate of non working disabled people is enormous. Less than 50 per cent of Scottish residents pay income tax and only 6-8 per cent pay higher rate tax ( and they’re the type of people who can easily relocate). Where’s the money coming from to replace the tax revenues contributed from the rest of the U.K. and the city of London ?

blueoverwhite · 02/10/2024 20:24

KnottedTwine · 02/10/2024 16:33

We have had this discussion. DH is English, I am Scottish. His job would more than likely be relocated, but he is planning on taking early retirement at 55 or 56 which isn't that many years away. We would move probably to Northumberland,

I love Northumberland. It’s my favorite place in the world

Livinginaclock · 02/10/2024 20:25

MiddleAgedDread · 02/10/2024 14:46

I'd be moving south of that border faster than you can say "Nicola Sturgeon bought a motor home using SNP finances"

Unfortunately I can't, but if I could, I would.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 20:34

We've had enough just now. We're waiting until kids are finished school and then we're off somewhere else.

I've absolutely had enough of the toxic nationalists and the way they are destroying Scotland.

littleteapot86 · 02/10/2024 20:36

Is it that easy to just uproot yourself and move country? 😅 No I would not move. It would be a shit show no doubt initially but I think scotland will eventually be independent and it will be for the better. It's not a country that deserves its independence right now.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 20:36

Apotofgold · 02/10/2024 16:33

How are they anti-English? Perhaps I’ve missed that part of the campaigning as I’m not in Scotland and was actually abroad at the time, but all the English people I know living in Scotland voted YES including my former youth club leader and his kids.

Pet. They might have said they did to avoid the fallout. I very much doubt that the majority of English people living in Scotland voted to cut themselves off from the rest of their family.

SunsetSkylane · 02/10/2024 20:37

That would be a bit rash: I'd hang around for the general election that would have to take place and see what happens.

Then again I've no interest in living in England really; without being able to move to Europe I'd probably stay put.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 20:38

littleteapot86 · 02/10/2024 20:36

Is it that easy to just uproot yourself and move country? 😅 No I would not move. It would be a shit show no doubt initially but I think scotland will eventually be independent and it will be for the better. It's not a country that deserves its independence right now.

Yep. I have several former colleagues who upped and moved to Switzerland and keep badgering me to come join them.

Independence would be a shit show. Even the SNPs own growth commission says so.

littleteapot86 · 02/10/2024 20:40

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 20:38

Yep. I have several former colleagues who upped and moved to Switzerland and keep badgering me to come join them.

Independence would be a shit show. Even the SNPs own growth commission says so.

And do they/did they have children and/or mortgages? These "I'd leave" statements are so easy to make. My children's generation will vote for independence so you're probably best to start making solid plans.

tinydynamine · 02/10/2024 20:41

I would move back.. together with my German passport and B1 level Gaelic. Stornoway here I come!!

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 20:44

EvelynBeatrice · 02/10/2024 20:23

To the person who asked if I was leaving the UK - no. I don’t think the UK is a very poor country and I’m more than happy to pay more tax if I can trust that it will be utilised by a sensible - not perfect - but generally responsible government to the benefit of all. Hopefully Labour will get it right, albeit initial press is depressing.

I have no faith whatsoever that the SNP can manage Scotland even adequately at the moment - the party couldn’t even handle its own finances without impropriety - and I think they will be unable to do so in the event of independence, which will have as damaging an effect as Brexit on the Scottish economy and entail the loss of the huge Barnet formula billions Scotland currently benefits from.

Yes, maybe there’s a small chance that in 20-30 years Scotland might make a go of it on its own - but most of us don’t want to hang around that long suffering the pain! We’re a tiny country of less than 5 million people - Greater London has 10.5 million! The percentage rate of non working disabled people is enormous. Less than 50 per cent of Scottish residents pay income tax and only 6-8 per cent pay higher rate tax ( and they’re the type of people who can easily relocate). Where’s the money coming from to replace the tax revenues contributed from the rest of the U.K. and the city of London ?

I have no faith whatsoever that the SNP can manage Scotland even adequately at the moment - the party couldn’t even handle its own finances without impropriety - and I think they will be unable to do so in the event of independence, which will have as damaging an effect as Brexit on the Scottish economy and entail the loss of the huge Barnet formula billions Scotland currently benefits from

A few things -

  1. The SNP has been managing Scotland, at least within the constraints of Devo, since 2007, and Scots services still outperform those managed by London parties elsewhere
  2. Post-independence there is nothing whatsoever that mandates the SNP are either the immediate post-Indi government, or hold any hegemony in Scotland, or that the party itself would even continue to exist. On that last point, I personally think it's inevitable it would immediately splinter, because the main unifying goal would be achieved, and there are plenty of disparate groups within the SNP who are not comfy bedfellows
  3. The Barnett Formula calculates the annual budget for Devolved Administrations. It is emphatically not a "hand out" given to Scotland from English money. Scotland still submits much more in revenue to the UK Exchequer than it ever receives back in the Devolved budget, so yes, the Barnett Formula would cease to exist, however Scotland would be retaining 100% of revenue generated instead of handing it all to Westminster, receiving a portion back, and being told to be grateful for receiving a portion of our own revenue back as a "hand out".

Yes, maybe there’s a small chance that in 20-30 years Scotland might make a go of it on its own

"Small chance"?

Please provide the list of small, wealthy, resource-rich European Countries who have recently achieved independence from larger states and immediately keeled over. I'll save you the bother. It's zero. Even those without Scotland's wealth are faring well enough.

The "too wee, too poor, too stupid" nonsense is deeply ingrained in Mumsnet, along with an almighty dollop of good old Scottish cringe. It's embarrassing.

tinydynamine · 02/10/2024 20:46

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 20:44

I have no faith whatsoever that the SNP can manage Scotland even adequately at the moment - the party couldn’t even handle its own finances without impropriety - and I think they will be unable to do so in the event of independence, which will have as damaging an effect as Brexit on the Scottish economy and entail the loss of the huge Barnet formula billions Scotland currently benefits from

A few things -

  1. The SNP has been managing Scotland, at least within the constraints of Devo, since 2007, and Scots services still outperform those managed by London parties elsewhere
  2. Post-independence there is nothing whatsoever that mandates the SNP are either the immediate post-Indi government, or hold any hegemony in Scotland, or that the party itself would even continue to exist. On that last point, I personally think it's inevitable it would immediately splinter, because the main unifying goal would be achieved, and there are plenty of disparate groups within the SNP who are not comfy bedfellows
  3. The Barnett Formula calculates the annual budget for Devolved Administrations. It is emphatically not a "hand out" given to Scotland from English money. Scotland still submits much more in revenue to the UK Exchequer than it ever receives back in the Devolved budget, so yes, the Barnett Formula would cease to exist, however Scotland would be retaining 100% of revenue generated instead of handing it all to Westminster, receiving a portion back, and being told to be grateful for receiving a portion of our own revenue back as a "hand out".

Yes, maybe there’s a small chance that in 20-30 years Scotland might make a go of it on its own

"Small chance"?

Please provide the list of small, wealthy, resource-rich European Countries who have recently achieved independence from larger states and immediately keeled over. I'll save you the bother. It's zero. Even those without Scotland's wealth are faring well enough.

The "too wee, too poor, too stupid" nonsense is deeply ingrained in Mumsnet, along with an almighty dollop of good old Scottish cringe. It's embarrassing.

Hear hear!

littleteapot86 · 02/10/2024 20:46

"The "too wee, too poor, too stupid" nonsense is deeply ingrained in Mumsnet, along with an almighty dollop of good old Scottish cringe. It's embarrassing."

This made me laugh. I couldn't agree more. As soon as I saw the thread title I knew it would be total bile. May as well read a Daily Mail comments page.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 20:54

littleteapot86 · 02/10/2024 20:46

"The "too wee, too poor, too stupid" nonsense is deeply ingrained in Mumsnet, along with an almighty dollop of good old Scottish cringe. It's embarrassing."

This made me laugh. I couldn't agree more. As soon as I saw the thread title I knew it would be total bile. May as well read a Daily Mail comments page.

Oh look. I'm getting flashback to 2014.

Your rhetoric is boring and outdated. Move on.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 20:55

And do they/did they have children and/or mortgages? These "I'd leave" statements are so easy to make. My children's generation will vote for independence so you're probably best to start making solid plans.

Yes and yes. Your dream is dead. Get over it.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 20:57

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 20:54

Oh look. I'm getting flashback to 2014.

Your rhetoric is boring and outdated. Move on.

Flashbacks to 2014 indeed

Absolutely no attempt to make any sort of positive case for the UK, because none exists beyond hyperbolic scaremongering about the prospect of an Indi Scotland.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 20:59

Absolutely no attempt to make any sort of positive case for the UK, because none exists beyond hyperbolic scaremongering about the prospect of an Indi Scotland.

Oh dear pet. Do you really want to do this? You can search under my previous posting names if you wish to find the schooling I gave nats into the financial implications if you wish.

Ihatemondays1962 · 02/10/2024 21:01

I'll be seriously considering moving which would be a sad thing for me to do having lived here for 40 years. It's pretty terrifying to think of the damage the SNP could do in an independent Scotland.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 21:02

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 20:59

Absolutely no attempt to make any sort of positive case for the UK, because none exists beyond hyperbolic scaremongering about the prospect of an Indi Scotland.

Oh dear pet. Do you really want to do this? You can search under my previous posting names if you wish to find the schooling I gave nats into the financial implications if you wish.

😂at "pet"