If Scotland voted for independence, would you move elsewhere for a bit to see how things shake out?

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I would (and would definitely move my savings out of Scotland until things stabilised)

Probably hypothetical for at least a while just wondering if anyone strongly feels they'd stick around to ride it out.

Well said. And anyone who watches the news can see how much worse services, such as the NHS are run in England and Wales. Or remembering all the PPE fraud and corruption. Ian Lang admitted he designed GERS, to try to undermine Scotland. The UK Govt refuses to cut the 2 child cap and has cut the Winter fuel paymet( forcing Scot Govt to do likewise, due to our limited fiscal levers) so why would you believe they are “ subsidising” Scotland Other countries, with far fewer natural resources have been successful so why not Scotland.
if you want to see a poorly run Government just look at the UK.

Fiscal levers-check
GERS denial -check
Small country comparison-check
Subsidising -check

BINGO!!!!

Yep, we’d be gone. It’s not going to happen anytime soon though (and hopefully never) - people are utterly fed up of the SNP running this country like they’re running the student union. I’m looking forward to the next election where we can consign them to the bin.

I don't really feel excited because labour are jokers too. It's depressing how low public life has sunk.

There is no more chance of the UK breaking up than there is of Germany or France or Italy breaking up.

However the damage to Scotland has already been done by the 2014 Referendum in which YES pandered to those on the margins of society with the simplistic and bigoted message that their problems were caused by "Westminster".

"Please provide a list of all ... European countries who have recently achieved independence from larger states and immediately keeled over"

Bavaria, Flanders, Lapland, Catalonia, Sicily to name but 5.

Secession isn't normal.

Wha's Like Us ? Countless other people living in clearly defined subregions of long established sovereign nations.

An independent Scotland would be relatively rich by world standards.

The GERS figures voluntarily published by SNP Gov show that Scotland receives a fiscal transfer worth £5K per household (£111bn spending- £88bn tax revenue- £11bn per capita share of UK borrowing divided by 2.5m households)

Scexit wouldn't mean Scotland would "keel over" - it would just need to adapt to a lower standard living with a choice between English levels of public spending or Scandinavian levels of taxation.

They're pro-Scotland, not 'anti-English'. 🫣

Not sure where you got this.
Wanting to be separate from Westminster is not the same as being 'anti-English' in general. You can like your neighbours well enough, just not want to be governed by them. 🫣

What 'proof'? 🫣

Where would you get free extensive care? 🤔

Well we definitely outperform England (and most of the world) on drug deaths - go Scotland!
Scottish educational attainment is worse than England.
The NHS is probably doing equally badly
So which areas is Scotland doing better on? Can you be specific?

"Please provide a list of all ... European countries who have recently achieved independence from larger states and immediately keeled over"
Bavaria, Flanders, Lapland, Catalonia, Sicily to name but 5

WHAT? When has Bavaria gone independent and why has nobody told me?

Fwiw, I'm English and voted yes, as did many of my English and other non-Scottish friends. I moved to Scotland partly because it's more socialist leaning than England, and felt fed up with the fact that we had endless Tory governments.

One of the things that changed my mind was the reality check during covid that politics is so much game playing. I hated the feeling that whatever Westminster did, Scottish government was going to flex their right to do something different and "safer" (hollow laugh). I had honestly naively thought before then that Scottish government had the maturity to make savvy decisions collaborating with Westminster and only differentiating when it was something that would be concretely beneficial to Scotland.

Scots services still outperform those managed by London parties elsewhere

Fuck me, people really believe this sort of shit. That the SNP are doing a marvellous job.

Please provide a list of all ... European countries who have recently achieved independence from larger states and immediately keeled over"
Bavaria, Flanders, Lapland, Catalonia, Sicily to name but 5 😅
Not one of these regions has achieved independence from larger states! This is just typical of the crazy rhetoric some PP are employing in this debate.

I was wondering that too.

Will make this crystal clear for you

My point is that there is absolutely no precedent for a subregion of an established First World democracy seceding after more than 300 years as part of a sovereign nation

Why not aim for clarity when you post something first? Your original post is far from clear.

Somewhere with a functional health service

Ireland?

All the optimism I had for an independent Scotland has evaporated in the intervening decade. That’s down to the performance of the SNP - they’ve let Scotland down badly. I wouldn’t leave if it happened because I’m not in any position to just up sticks. It’s not likely to happen anyway is it? Even the SNP seem to have lost their appetite for an Independent Scotland. They just want to keep getting paid for their parliamentary positions (the ones that still have them)

I think it would raise so many questions that would take decades to resolve (or maybe they would never be resolved?). Who owns what? How to separate all organisations, assets, national debt? It would make Brexit look like a walk in the park. I think it would destroy the whole of the UK at a time when the UK and the world is facing huge issues. I think as time moves on, nationality will become less important anyway.

I think your Daily Fail/Express doing a great job on you. Do you watch the news? English trusts are almost daily failing people and scandals over unnecessary deaths due to poor care. As for Wales, run by Labour for 25 years, they have the worse NHS in the UK. Just this morning a story about £1b of trains in storage for 5 years because of windscreen wipers that are dangerous. But hey, the ferries…
However, you lost me at Scotland being a “sub region” No possibility of having rational discussion with someone of that mentality.

A Ireland was only part of UK for 120 years and had a distinct Catholic culture whereas England, Scotland and Wales were Protestant. It was only on the periphery of Enlightenment, Empire and Industrial Revolution

B After seceding, Ireland immediately plunged into Civil War and suffered decades of mass emigration..in 2021 there were 412,000 Irish citizens choosing to live in UK which was 8% of Irish population

Oh, bore off with your condescending emoji. To pretend that there isn't a strong anti-English sentiment amongst many Nationalists is insulting and does nothing to address the issue. You only need to look at the All Under One Banner Facebook page or the comments on the SNP Facebook page to see it.

No I wouldn't.id stay put.