If Scotland voted for independence, would you move elsewhere for a bit to see how things shake out?

[OptimismvsRealism]

I would (and would definitely move my savings out of Scotland until things stabilised)

Probably hypothetical for at least a while just wondering if anyone strongly feels they'd stick around to ride it out.

Summed what up?
The reality is that the British English media always overhype the English football team and that's fairly irritating, not just to Scottish people? I felt really sorry for the shameful reporting on Gareth Southgate and the 'love them one minute, hate them the next' approach to players like Harry Kane, Jude Bellingham and so on.
Also, iagine if you turned on to watch an England match and within 10 to 15 mins they were actually analysing another team entirely and discussing their next match.

So you're basing your whole understanding of why people want independence on a few eejits?
Go to any rally/football match and you will find a small percentage of nasty small minded idiots, but these do not reflect the country as a whole. Do you think no English person has ever said/done similar to a Scottish person?

There’s none so blind as he who will not see.

Indeed. It's impossible to have a sensible or meaningful conversation.

On 11 January 2020 the All Under One Banner pro-independence demonstration in Glasgoww* marched behind a banner badged with the Siol nan Gaidheal symbol.[19]
In June 2022, SNP MSP Evelyn Tweedd* apologised after being photographed holding the flag of Siol nan Gaidheal.[20]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siolnann_Gaidheal

Nothing to see here...

The Arboath one in 2022 was a all under 1 banner organised event where they called for civil disobedience, referred to the English as the enemy in speeches and played anti English songs including kick them out references. It was also attended by SNP Mr Doogan who then had to try to distance himself from attendance and the message.

To me that screams anti English. Fully get its not everyone but seriously even my fully paid up SNP membership friend recognises and has been with me when I have been on the receiving end of comments. She even reported it to the SNP office herself!

Inaccurate.

There has been one referendum a decade about & it was very close.

If you're talking about the recent Westminster general election as some sort of sign then you would be wrong. I wanted the tories out very badly, multitudes of family & friends in other countries of the union. So I voted Labour to get the tories out. I regret doing that. They are Tories in all but name

But I vehemently support Scottish independence.

There has been one No vote, but there has been significant material change since then. Ie Brexit.

The reason people are so terrified of a referendum is they know full well yes would win. If the UK Gvmt thought they had a hope in hell of another no vote, we would have a referendum tomorrow.

And please stop with the nonsense about fiscal disaster. The "you can't use the pound" etc etc
It makes you sound stupid.

Is that why the SNP have effectively stopped calling for another referendum? Because it would be too easy to win and they prefer a challenge?

Oh, it's possible, but it seems not to be happening.

I don't think they have stopped actually, but they're also trying to actually govern.

No. I'm dug in here like a tick.

Will keep rebutting the lies and fantasies of beachcity girl

"Referendum... was very close" No it wasn't. We chose to remain in UK by decisive margin of 10.6%. Only 4 of last 23 General Elections have seen a bigger victory.

"They know full well Yes would win" Utter fantasy which is contradicted by facts.

Average of last 10 polls pre IndyRef
YES 44%
NO 48%
DONT KNOW 8%(Virtually all voted NO)

Average of last 10 polls in 2024
YES 43%
NO 48%
DONT KNOW 9%

Secession less popular than in 2014 in spite of 10 years of grievance mongering

"Nonsense about fiscal disaster" The facts are that SNP Govt voluntarily publish figures showing a £23bn deficit and Growth Commission report (since buried) admitted Scexit would necessitate decades of austerity

"You can't use the pound" Obviously not. The pound is the currency of the UK. If Scotland chose to secede and use the currency of a foreign country it would be independent in name only.

OptimismvsRealism · 02/10/2024 21:51
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Why is everyone saying pet isn't that from the midlands?

North East

Are they still trying? It looks more like they have given up.

And please stop with the nonsense about fiscal disaster. The "you can't use the pound" etc etc
It makes you sound stupid.

Hmm. I seem to remember your username. Was it you that we walked through the financial aspects of the white paper with and showed you exactly how it was billions too optimistic. We can do it again if you'd like pet.

I don't think they have stopped actually, but they're also trying to actually govern.

<<spits out tea>> are they now? Finally after what is it 17 years?! They've decided to actually try and govern have they? 😂

Given up with what?

I didn't say they'd just started trying.

White Paper stated that annual North Sea tax revenues would be in range from £6.8bn to £7.9bn

The reality is that they have averaged £2.3bn since then

A total shortfall equivalent to £20,000 for every Scottish household

@GargoylesofBeelzebub

Nope not me.

However you could educate yourself on the realities of the Gers figures (which reflect scotlands finances whilst under control of Westminster & without ability to borrow. The deficit is a notional one.

Also don't call people pet it is peurile.

Some people on this thread are trying to have an adult conversation.

I was going to respond to your nationalist hyperbole @beachcitygirl but I see @TobyEsterhase has beaten me to it.

No pet, I won't.

And let me remind you that the white paper used GERS as its basis for good reason. Here's Alex Salmond on GERS.

Shall we get started then. Can you explain how the £200m figure in the white paper is adequate to cover the full costs of Scotland becoming independent when they spent £61m on the named person legislation alone?

Trying to actually govern. To be fair if you haven’t managed after 17 years…

Governing is a constant thing, they've been doing it and they're still attempting to do so - what are you struggling to grasp?

Still attempting it? 😂