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If Scotland voted for independence, would you move elsewhere for a bit to see how things shake out?

225 replies

OptimismvsRealism · 02/10/2024 14:41

I would (and would definitely move my savings out of Scotland until things stabilised)

Probably hypothetical for at least a while just wondering if anyone strongly feels they'd stick around to ride it out.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 21:23

LMAO. Pet, all the indicators point to Scotland having had absolutely enough of the SNP. They will get another drubbing. Guaranteed.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 21:24

"Guarantees" now 😀

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 21:27

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 21:24

"Guarantees" now 😀

Absolutely. Even you agree in an earlier post that Scotland wants a new government.

Jumbojem · 02/10/2024 21:28

Yolo12345 · 02/10/2024 21:13

@OptimismvsRealism

"Your investments will definitely lose value"....lol yes poor Norway and its huge difficulties with its massive oil fund etc...

I have no skin in this game, but Norway I believe still partly state own most of their oil fields and production and used the gains wisely to reinvest in renewables. The uk on the other hand made poor decisions, we've basically given the gains away in tax cuts and sold the rights to private shareholders.
Also, don't Norwegians pay very high taxes? Not sure it's really comparable to a post indy Scotland?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 21:32

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 21:27

Absolutely. Even you agree in an earlier post that Scotland wants a new government.

No I did not.

In an ideal world the SNP would be in opposition for a bit, but the Tories just don't have the numbers in Scotland to ever be single largest party, and Labour is busy exposing themselves for the utter charlatans they are in record time, so the best of a terrible bunch remains the SNP. I did not agree that "Scotland wants a new Government", and as evidenced in the various SG intention polling, there's nothing to suggest Scots are desperate for a change yet either.

LemonyCoughSyrup · 02/10/2024 21:34

Would I move my kids from a school they love and an area with lovely people?! No, that seems insane. We have no idea really what would happen with independence, much like the doomsayers over Brexit had no idea either and it hasn’t been as bad as they said (not that I supported leaving the EU).

People are definitely getting twisted up about nothing here.

Modern western economies are much more a product of a network of economies, and one economy doesn’t have much power over what happens, a lot of it is accident/chance, wars elsewhere etc. I would stand by whatever a democratic vote decided. Though I doubt it would happen now anyway

MoleAtTheCounter · 02/10/2024 21:34

Yolo12345 · 02/10/2024 21:13

@OptimismvsRealism

"Your investments will definitely lose value"....lol yes poor Norway and its huge difficulties with its massive oil fund etc...

this is the sort of economic ignorance I mentioned upthread. It is ridiculous to compare Norway's US$1.71 trillion Sovereign Wealth Fund with an independent Scotland. Scotland would get a proportionate share of UK assets but also UK liabilities including national debt repayment which is now 99% of UK national income.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 21:35

as evidenced in the various SG intention polling, there's nothing to suggest Scots are desperate for a change yet either.

Not sure what you're looking at pet but the polls are showing the SNP losing a huge number of seats.

They can't get together with the greens again so likely a lab/lib coalition.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 21:40

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 21:35

as evidenced in the various SG intention polling, there's nothing to suggest Scots are desperate for a change yet either.

Not sure what you're looking at pet but the polls are showing the SNP losing a huge number of seats.

They can't get together with the greens again so likely a lab/lib coalition.

"losing seats" does not translate to an inevitable change of government.

Numbers suggest that right now it would be a toss up between Labour and SNP for single largest party, and Lab/Lib would not have enough to form a stable majority coalition, so it's a simple case of which of the two main contenders lands single largest party forming a minority government.

Pretty despondent stuff for Labour when they are riding on the crest of a Westminster landslide and the SNP is at a historical low ebb, and still Scots are looking a Starmer and his bumbling bufoon branch office manager and saying "naw". What's it going to look like in 18 months when they've made an even bigger arse of things and Sarwar still can't answer simple questions for fear of upsetting the boss?

I'm presumably looking at the same polls as you, only I understand what they are showing. You evidently do not.

Scrambledchickens · 02/10/2024 21:40

I will never happen as the snp lost their tiny minds and forgot what a woman is.
if it did happen no I wouldn’t move

SunsetSkylane · 02/10/2024 21:41

Next person to say pet is banished from the thread.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 21:41

"losing seats" does not translate to an inevitable change of government.

It absolutely does in the numbers the polls are projecting.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 21:42

SunsetSkylane · 02/10/2024 21:41

Next person to say pet is banished from the thread.

You're not the boss pet. HTH

MoleAtTheCounter · 02/10/2024 21:43

SunsetSkylane · 02/10/2024 21:41

Next person to say pet is banished from the thread.

Is that word your pet peeve?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 21:43

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 21:41

"losing seats" does not translate to an inevitable change of government.

It absolutely does in the numbers the polls are projecting.

Again, no it does not.

Some polls are suggesting Labour single largest party, others the SNP, so it's utterly impossible to say right now that a change of government is "inevitable", hence why your "guarantee" is nothing more than a source of mirth.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 02/10/2024 21:45

Some polls are suggesting Labour single largest party, others the SNP, so it's utterly impossible to say right now that a change of government is "inevitable", hence why your "guarantee" is nothing more than a source of mirth.

Oh no pet. The only source of mirth here is your level of cope. The polls show an absolute drubbing for the SNP and the death of independence with a massive pro union majority.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 21:46

"cope" 😂

This just gets funnier and funnier. Keep it up!

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Scottishskifun · 02/10/2024 21:47

We would move (also to Northumberland) we did start looking before the big pedestal fall by Nicola as we couldn't face another referendum and the noise had already started. Had checked with HR about if I was allowed to move offices etc.

Very glad it's off the table for a considerable amount of time!

SunsetSkylane · 02/10/2024 21:49

Jeezus guys it was a fucking joke.

But yeah you all sound super cringey trying to out patronise each other. Crack on, I don't even know why I joined a 2014 throwback thread.

OptimismvsRealism · 02/10/2024 21:50

Yolo12345 · 02/10/2024 21:13

@OptimismvsRealism

"Your investments will definitely lose value"....lol yes poor Norway and its huge difficulties with its massive oil fund etc...

We are not Norway.

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OptimismvsRealism · 02/10/2024 21:51

Why is everyone saying pet isn't that from the midlands?

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Scottishskifun · 02/10/2024 21:56

Yolo12345 · 02/10/2024 21:13

@OptimismvsRealism

"Your investments will definitely lose value"....lol yes poor Norway and its huge difficulties with its massive oil fund etc...

😂 you might want to check out the stats on the decommissioning of North Sea platforms and the high number in Scottish waters before having a little party dance about oil money and fund! The possibility for that one sailed a long time ago it would have had to be started 30 years ago!

1nutcracker · 02/10/2024 22:10

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 02/10/2024 20:44

I have no faith whatsoever that the SNP can manage Scotland even adequately at the moment - the party couldn’t even handle its own finances without impropriety - and I think they will be unable to do so in the event of independence, which will have as damaging an effect as Brexit on the Scottish economy and entail the loss of the huge Barnet formula billions Scotland currently benefits from

A few things -

  1. The SNP has been managing Scotland, at least within the constraints of Devo, since 2007, and Scots services still outperform those managed by London parties elsewhere
  2. Post-independence there is nothing whatsoever that mandates the SNP are either the immediate post-Indi government, or hold any hegemony in Scotland, or that the party itself would even continue to exist. On that last point, I personally think it's inevitable it would immediately splinter, because the main unifying goal would be achieved, and there are plenty of disparate groups within the SNP who are not comfy bedfellows
  3. The Barnett Formula calculates the annual budget for Devolved Administrations. It is emphatically not a "hand out" given to Scotland from English money. Scotland still submits much more in revenue to the UK Exchequer than it ever receives back in the Devolved budget, so yes, the Barnett Formula would cease to exist, however Scotland would be retaining 100% of revenue generated instead of handing it all to Westminster, receiving a portion back, and being told to be grateful for receiving a portion of our own revenue back as a "hand out".

Yes, maybe there’s a small chance that in 20-30 years Scotland might make a go of it on its own

"Small chance"?

Please provide the list of small, wealthy, resource-rich European Countries who have recently achieved independence from larger states and immediately keeled over. I'll save you the bother. It's zero. Even those without Scotland's wealth are faring well enough.

The "too wee, too poor, too stupid" nonsense is deeply ingrained in Mumsnet, along with an almighty dollop of good old Scottish cringe. It's embarrassing.

Well said. And anyone who watches the news can see how much worse services, such as the NHS are run in England and Wales. Or remembering all the PPE fraud and corruption. Ian Lang admitted he designed GERS, to try to undermine Scotland. The UK Govt refuses to cut the 2 child cap and has cut the Winter fuel paymet( forcing Scot Govt to do likewise, due to our limited fiscal levers) so why would you believe they are “ subsidising” Scotland Other countries, with far fewer natural resources have been successful so why not Scotland.
if you want to see a poorly run Government just look at the UK.

MoleAtTheCounter · 02/10/2024 22:16

1nutcracker · 02/10/2024 22:10

Well said. And anyone who watches the news can see how much worse services, such as the NHS are run in England and Wales. Or remembering all the PPE fraud and corruption. Ian Lang admitted he designed GERS, to try to undermine Scotland. The UK Govt refuses to cut the 2 child cap and has cut the Winter fuel paymet( forcing Scot Govt to do likewise, due to our limited fiscal levers) so why would you believe they are “ subsidising” Scotland Other countries, with far fewer natural resources have been successful so why not Scotland.
if you want to see a poorly run Government just look at the UK.

Other small countries are not starting with a crippling national debt, junk credit rating. 9% budget deficit, and a poor tax base.