so it's a no to Indyref2

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And I'm quite glad. My mental health was shot to pieces by the first one.

Good news.

Excellent

Thank fuck for that.

Hopefully Sturgeon will pipe down for a few months now.

The comments under the bbc news article are horrendous. Lots of 'this isn't over, it's happening whether you like it or not' threats, I'm completely sick of it and wish they'd stop wasting resources on this.

Hallelujah

Hopefully that £20 million they set aside for a referendum in 2023 can now be used on something actually beneficial to the country..

There’ll be the usual stamping of feet about denying democracy and the continual sniping at Westminster - so basically as you were with it kicked into the long grass. Until the next general election anyway where the SNP run on a single issue of independence with no other policies (yeah right) in the hope more than 50% of the electorate go for that. Which has NEVER happened even at their highest point. So no independence for the foreseeable, but unfortunately Scotland stuck in perpetual grievance mode and the slide into decline under the SNP. On the plus side, the UK govt clarifying the Equality Act is currently the only hope on the table of protecting single sex spaces (based on real sex, not an imagined one).

Chances of her now giving up the millions she has squirreled away for indy ref 2 and giving it to the NHS or god forbid finishing those damn ferries ??

I have a feeling this ruling is going to divide the country even more as the unionists will say right its over we had a referendum it was a no, and the supreme court say we cant have another.
The nationalist will say we are being dictated to, that they have stolen our money and our rights and we are being held against our will.

I'm glad and I voted yes in the first one. I'd rather snp focused on actual issues, lots of which are totally falling apart in Scotland and not repeating and repeating a referendum until they get the results they want.

She’ll get louder. It’s all a good way to divert attention.

I’m glad, the court judgement was considered and sensible

If she keeps on ignoring issues that affect our day to day lives (NHS, education, social care etc) and still puts all of her energy into Indy I can see this ending in civil war or terrorism a la Northern Ireland. She whips the Neds into thinking why have a valid grievance and that the UK is holding them back / stealing all their money and all sorts of other screaming nonsense and the Neds will at some point be thick enough to become violent. Her false grievance is dangerous.

Even as a die hard no voter, something grates about being “told no you can’t do this” and NS is banking on that psychology swaying a chunk of no voters into new territory. While I’m relieved, I suspect she knew this would happen all along and I am sure that it will have the desired effect of pushing some people over the line towards Indy. I almost admire her tactics if I was being objective…but from a personal perspective, while relieved…I know this is just kicking it all off again, causing even more division and stress.

and yy to the millions being kept for Indy to be redeployed where the country desperately needs it. But of course that won’t happen which makes me hate the SNP even more

Thank god for that - this country has been through massive upheaval over the last 3 years, the very last thing it needed was another indy ref.

Perhaps now they will focus on getting good pay deals for public sector workers, sorting out the mess they've created with the ferry contracts and gender reform, and growing the economy, rather than bleating and whining about WM.

Yeah, right, like that's going to happen!

I’m not so sure it will @TheBelmont - she’s been deploying that tactic for 5 years now, with constant calls for Indyref and the UK govt saying it’s not the time, and it hasn’t moved the dial on support. I think the longer it drags on the more people are opening their eyes to how shit the SNP truly are, and people are just over it with all the other things going on. Cost of living is spiralling, the health service is on the verge of collapse, women are about to lose any right to single sex spaces, transport is shit, the list is endless. I’d guess people would rather have a period of stability and recovery instead of perpetual grievance.

All that's happened today, is the proof that the UK is NOT a voluntary union.

Sturgeon has played a blinder.
It was always going to be a win win.

Yes to a referendum on the power of Scots parliament ✅

Or

Proof in law that Scotland is not allowed a legal route to exit The Union. Ie not a voluntary union. ✅

There will be a massive upsurge in support for independence and renewed vigour amongst indy supporters.

For those of you that are so pleased and smug. Don't you believe in democracy?
Can you outline a democratic route to leaving the UK ?
Can you outline how that can be achieved?

Please don't trot out the pathetic "you had your referendum line" - the will of people changes and evolves especially with massive changes politically. That's why we gave elections every 4/5 years.

Should the suffragettes stopped after they were told no at the first vote. No, of course not.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us maybe I’m just so ground down with pessimism on this! I so so hope you are right and this doesn’t just give the movement more momentum. I can’t help but be wary

Pros & Cons.

it's not going to shut wee nippy up about it, it seems to me it will just stir up more trouble.

OTOH

indyref2 would be expensive, divisive & distracting to economic recovery.

Even pre Covid, CoL, but especially in this economy, I do not see how Scotland thinks they'd be better off independent. Plus they still can't answer most of the big questions.

I understand some people just want independence & not to feel like they're at the mercy of WM, but it seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face!

It was democratic, the people voted 'no'. You can't be re asking a question every 5 minutes! Esoecially one that is so expensive & decisive. Being democratic means accepting a majority vote, not to keep asking the same question until you get the answer you want!

All it's proved @beachcitygirl is that the law has been applied fairly to Sturgeon's demands. She hasn't played a blinder at all, she was never going to win this and only the most blinkered nationalists would have thought otherwise. As for an upsurge in support for independence, nah - won't happen. We've heard that before from the indy camp and it simply hasn't materialised. The SNP hasn't brought anything new to the table, hasn't proved themselves to be a Govt capable of uniting the country or using its powers wisely and creatively, and has presided over one shit show after another.

I would suggest you rethink your comparison to suffragettes btw - given that the SNP is absolutely intent on erasing the rights of women.

Agree absolutely with @SirChenjins

No I’m not seeing a blinder for NS at all. A defeat - but she will get louder as a result

But this wasn’t a win for her for which I’m glad

It’s difficult to know what will happen over the next few years.

Apparently people are more risk averse during economic downturns/recessions, so it would follow that support for independence would decrease.

However, it will likely get played that we are in this recession because of the Tory govt (we’re not) and we would be so much better off on our own, so support would increase.

@beachcitygirlwould you be happy if was a yes vote that a further vote was then held? Or is it then thats the final answer? So many snp seem to have that in mind that it's only undemocratic cos it's not what we want!