so it's a no to Indyref2

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And I'm quite glad. My mental health was shot to pieces by the first one.

Why should English voters get a say on issues that don't affect their constituency?

There is no democratic route.

The referendum was 9 years ago & there has been a substantial material change. Brexit.

My kids aren’t at school tomorrow due yo
the strike. What’s Nicola doing about that?

My mother has just forked out thousands for a hip op to be done privately as the SNHS queue was so long and she is in so much pain. What’s Nicola doing about that?

When can we expect the Scottish Government to concentrate on providing good quality public services?

The EU have already confirmed that Scotland will not be able to join the EU, even if it were independent as Scotland does not meet even the most basic requirements, and there is a fifteen/twenty year waiting list (at least) So the idea Scotland can vote to become independent from the UK only to go and immediately become dependent on another state - a super state at that is conflicted at best and not remotely realistic.

Scotland would be so vulnerable. A tiny country with very little money, resources, army and no alliances - no G7, Nato or any protection whatsoever.
It would be dangerous to put Scotland in that position as we have just entered a new cold war with Russia just a few months ago. It would be a sitting duck. Finland and Sweden are frantically trying to join Nato as a result.

The sadness is whilst NS continues to bang her nationalistic drum she is detracting from the bigger issues - education, the economy, the failing Scottish NHS and the deeply contentious gender reforms she is trying to ram through.

Scotland is an incredible country. But this is going to be their undoing if it is allowed to drag on for another two decades.

Sturgeon should focus on the people of Scotland now.

Amazing how in Nicola Sturgeon’s head, “democracy” = “everyone has to do what I say”.

Exactly, you either support SNP or you’re wrong according to her.

Half of our family still live in Scotland and they are relieved, it has already caused so much division, they are sick of it. We are all tired of division.

Why not give peace, unity and harmony a try for a bit - all of us should give that a whirl for a while. I think we are all tired of upheaval.

Yep, for some people democracy seems to mean getting who/what they vote for every time rather than accepting the majority decision.

@Venetiaparties

You're spectacularly missing the point. Scotland was in the EU at the time of the referendum & has been stated would have almost certainly been able to remain a member which is completely different from leaving and rejoining.

Scotland were dragged out of the EU by knuckle grazing engerland Britnat racists, certain and fascist freaks like Farage and his supporters.

Wales, Ireland & Scotland subjected to the shit of England's bigger land size and huge colonial ego continually. Again & Again & Again.

The UK is an international joke.

No one will be laughing at the court ruling. It’s sensible and considered.

Much more so than the rallying FB inflammatory remarks that get people going.
NS is ridiculous to wind people up to this extent when there’s a legal ruling.

I get if you wanted it to go the other way you’ll be annoyed and looking for reasons that others might agree with you, but many are just relieved and glad they got the ruling they wanted.

Listening to the judgement the SNP tried to use the argument that is used for colonial or foreign occupation.....that to me alone shows they have no interest in unifying Scotland just getting their own way. Its basically saying the population which voted no are in cahoots with a imaginary occupation!!!!

I'm so sick of division, being told to "go home" or if I don't believe in independence then I shouldn't live in Scotland!
Govt should be supporting public services, helping the economy not sending it up shit creek without a paddle by a independence vote a hard border with England where the larger percentage of exports go!!!

beachcitygirl no, the bill will not pass in its present form. You haven’t a clue about feminism, and it certainly shows in your every comment on here.

I'm English and I think Scottish independence is inevitable, not because we are very different people..

The divergence in realities on the ground has made our political views different.

We voted for Brexit primarily because of open door immigration that has caused real issues and grievances in communities up and down England.

Scotland has never had that.. You don't have equivalents to places like Crewe, Peterborough, Boston.. which are basically Eastern European ghettos.

Scotland gets more money per head to spend on "free sh*t" which the average voting pleb attributes to the SNP

Who's "we"? Speak for yourself you racist

😂That is not true, and you should know this basic point beach

Regardless of whether the UK were members of the EU or not, Scotland would still have to apply to the EU to become a member in the event of independence.

Scotland would be a brand new country and no longer part of the UK. Scotland would face the same checks and balances and scrutiny that all new members are subject to, it takes many decades! The fact you think you can just slip into the EU no questions asked really shows how ill informed/deluded you are.

An independent Scotland would not have the funds or means to join the EU. It would not have the capability for at least fifty years best case scenario. So why do you continue to peddle this lie that Scotland can skip over to Brussels and join the EU tomorrow.

Have you any idea what would actually truthfully happen to your quality of life/health care/defence/welfare/currency/education/infrastructure if you were independent?

You are way too keen to gloss over the cold hard reality of how much it costs to run a country in the 21st century. You are imperilling all future generations and your own lives for what? To fly the same flag, come on.

This will not stop her bleating. SNP have to scream for independence because without that they have no reason to exist.

Have you any idea what would actually truthfully happen to your quality of life/health care/defence/welfare/currency/education/infrastructure if you were independent?

You are way too keen to gloss over the cold hard reality of how much it costs to run a country in the 21st century. You are imperilling all future generations and your own lives for what? To fly the same flag, come on.

Absolutely. It’s amazing NS is getting away with this. But that’s the age we live in, wind people up and it’s easier than governing well.

@Venetiaparties

That's just simply not true. No matter how many cutesy little smilies you put.

Also at no point did I peddle rejoining the EU. I simply stated it was a material difference to the lies that were being peddled at time of referendum. It is now a moot point as scotland is no longer a member of the EU thanks to English racists.

We were at the time of the Scottish referendum.

Are you blind as to what is happening to the current and future generations in the Uk or are you just so keen to gloss over this with your passion for the union flag?

Hardship, poverty, racism, cronyism, tax loopholes, foodbanks, hatred of immigration and refugees, laughing stock on world stage, liars in power & more abuse of power to come. The UK is two steps away from a fascist regime.
And with a Tory donor as chief of the BBC. One of those steps hangs in the balance.

Bloody terrifying for anyone decent & progressive and passionate about democracy.

All that and more you wave away with your staunch support for the union flag.
Vile.

The SNP are new labour in comms, policies and having the benefit of more public spending cash to splash thanks to Barnett (NL were luckier with economic conditions up to 2008). Alistair Campbell is a big admirer of the SNP.

Most people in the UK want brexit softened or overturned.

One of the biggest lies the SNP have sold their voters is that Scottish politics is very different.

Scotland is happy to draw on the strength of the union when it comes to Defence and yelling for the British Army for assistance every time theres a crisis.

Also every Scottish feminist I know, male and female, is outraged at the GRA and the erosion of womens rights here

Anyone outraged at the GRA is ignorant of what feminism is.

It's that simple. Utter stupidity at its most glaringly obvious.

Scotland is still in the UK and entitled to use the british army whilst we pay for it.

I voted yes first time round but am delighted there will be no second referendum. School staff striking tomorrow due to no real pay rises, curriculum of excellence P1 to P3 playbased nonsense the most regressive form of education, NHS struggling, people choosing between food and heat. These issues need addressed not another referendum.

I will say it again beach as it doesn't seem to be getting through.

Even if the UK had stayed in the EU, Scotland would still have to apply once it became an independent country. Scotland would become a brand new country. There was never any way around this I am afraid.

You are pretending that if the brexit result had been different Scotland would have an automatic right to EU membership which is totally totally incorrect.

So you have considered what will happen once you stop paying your small contribution to defence? You will no longer have an army.

Do you suppose that pulling together a world class army and defence system is going to happen overnight on a shoe string budget?

Scotland would be left in defence terms extremely exposed for decades. If not longer. It has taken the UK centuries to build up what we have now. Intelligence services, defence, nuclear capability and most of all membership to Nato and other alliances like five eyes.

It really worries me you have clearly not considered your own security.