so it's a no to Indyref2

[HeraldicBlazoning]

And I'm quite glad. My mental health was shot to pieces by the first one.

The SNP’s nasty, divisive game playing continues.

How many years have they been in power in Scotland? What have they achieved? Toxic debates, drug deaths, housing crisis, falling educational standards, ferry scandal.

More of this? No thank you.

They need to concentrate for once on the country, rather than any more time or resources on indyref

My last post to @MarshaBradyo

The fact that this thread has gone down this route shows exactly what the SNP has become and where its focus lies. Not for unifying Scotland, for growing the economy, for improved rights and pay of workers, for improvements in the NHS and other public sector organisations - but for the right of men to inhabit women's spaces.

@Letsgetreadytoblackcurrantcrumble you actually think penises are a problem.

Best castrate baby boys at birth then. Don't be alone with men. Don't be alone with boys. 🙄

How can females achieve equality when male people are counted in statistics for pay and representation skewing them to distort the true picture ? How can someone who claims to be a feminist not see what a blow to female rights this would be?

If the parliament is 50% males and 50% males being counted as females, how does that help female equality and representation? Yet you faux feminists would be cheering it on as progressive. SMDH

Apparently not. She's been on Facebook saying "Scottish democracy will not be denied."

Irony at it's finest. Or did I just dream that we already had a democratic vote on Scottish independence?

Penises in spaces where women ought to be able to reasonably assume there are no penises. That’s the problem as you well know.

and the eye rolling and the sighing shows that you - a vehement Indy supporter - thinks that my views - the views of the vast majority of the Scottish public - are wrong - marking the SNP out as totally out of touch.

Does being this out of touch not concern you? Or do you just write the majority of Scot’s off as transphobia and therefore our views don’t count?

I think if you’re anti-independence you should be worried tbh.

I don’t see a huge support for the upheaval of independence right now, with everything else - I think if there was another referendum soonish, it’d be no again.

But with extra time and the added, Westminster won’t allow it...

Just my opinion though.

I really hope they now stop hiding 20 million and start allocating it to where its really required, health and economy.

Fed up with the whole we have no money whilst sat with millions allocated for a vote half the population dont want!!!

If we had referendums as often as elections you would ruin the country indefinitely! And reduce it to North Korea status.

Of course referendums have to be once in a generation vote, and that way whatever government is running the country can get on and actually do the job, not constantly gearing up to fight the next one, and the one after that. It would be incredibly distabilising.

If being independent really means a lot to you I assuming you would like any result to be respected for more than four years!! So be careful what you wish for - it is a double edged sword the kind of thing you are advocating.

Nicola is relieved, she knew the timing would be disaster for them with a cost of living crisis and looming recession, nothing is going to shrivel her voting share so swiftly as the lights literally going out and war raging with Russia.

It is destabilising. Look at the political draw NS is building from this. She doesn’t have to do any governing just whip people up with nationalism.

It’s concerning to see. Although I’m glad about decision today which was considered and sensible.

If the SNP had respected the result of the first indyref and hadn't started calling for a rerun immediately then they might have a bit more credibility. The fact is that they sought to overturn the democratic will of the people that they had agreed to respect in the Edinburgh agreement so they have no right banging on about democracy now.

There has been no significant change in either voting patterns or the polls that indicate that there has been a sufficient change in option within Scotland to necessitate another indyref.

Three words.

David Cameron EVEL

Yeah. Respecting the result. Respecting nearly half of the scottish voting public

*Change in opinion

What's wrong with EVEL?

Surely we need a grown up discussion on devolution?

Exactly what is wrong with EVEL?

If the majority of Scots do not want independence, then why do they keep voting the independence party into parliament? The people voted "no" last time under a very different set of circumstances. If this union is a voluntary one, either party must be allowed to dissolve it.

Ya dancer

Exactly this

For the prime minister & leader of the union who just two weeks earlier stated in scotland in the run up to the independence vote
"Lead us, don't leave us"

And begged Scotland to stay in the voluntary family of nations.

To go on to the podium the next morning when the vote was extremely raw for almost half the scottish voters and immediately crow with pleasure and diktat that scottish MP's will have no way in English laws

Was by anyone's standards a dick move and showed his behaviours in the preceding weeks as lies.

Without even starting on the fact that he and the "better together" campaign stated that voting NO was the only way to stay in the EU and almost in the next breath ordered the brexit ref and his party cosied with farage.

The fact remains if there is no way to leave the UK democratically or legally then it is NOT a voluntary union.

The majority of Scot's vote for pro union parties. It's just that they are split between three parties whereas the pro Indy voters all vote for SNP.

Why should Scottish MPs get a vote on issues that do not affect their constituency?

Hie can you say that there is no democratic route when we had a referendum just a short time ago?

An inflammatory statement on FaceBook, of course she will. She is pushing this because it’s useful to hide behind. But shows little respect for a legal ruling.

@Rainbowshit @pairofrollerskates

Nope they don't all vote for the SNP.

Independence supporters vote for the Green Party & some other minor parties ie ssp, rise,Alba.

Also the Lib Dem vote in scotland is negligible except in Shetland and Orkney.

So

British nationalists vote Tory or Labour & minor amounts Lib Dem

V similiar.

Not quite the way you tell it, now is it.