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Nicola Sturgeon

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Iluvfriends · 09/05/2021 13:04

Is a hypocrite.

Boris will be 'picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people' and ' the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'

Forgive me if i'm being stupid but didn't we already have a vote on independence, how did that go. Oh that's right......not how NS wanted so she ignores the democratic wishes of the Scottish people and pushes for Indy 2.

Laughable how she comes out with this stuff.

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Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 09/05/2021 13:38

I think the hypocrisy is the narrative that ignoring the wishes of the 50% who voted for parties who want Indyref2 is a democratic outrage, but somehow ignoring the wishes of the 50% who voted for parties against Indyref2 is just fine.

StillRailing · 09/05/2021 13:45

I see it as the hyperbole of politics.

I don't take much notice anymore.

NeverMetANiceOne · 09/05/2021 13:47

It's fucking ridiculous. Scotland voted, but apparently because Nicola didn't get her way we have to keep voting until she does get her way.

Quickchangeartiste · 09/05/2021 13:51

Just posting to say I agree.

RaraRachael · 09/05/2021 13:53

@NeverMetANiceOne

It's fucking ridiculous. Scotland voted, but apparently because Nicola didn't get her way we have to keep voting until she does get her way.
Yep, this completely.

I'd love to see her call another referendum and then lose again

Would she admit defeat or keep pushing it till she got her own way?

GinaJaffacake · 09/05/2021 14:08

I don’t want independence BUT part of the no vote was the guarantee of being part of the EU and being told regularly that there would be no guarantee that an Independent Scotland would be allowed into this very mutually beneficial club. Hmm
We were also told there would only be indyref2 if there was a ‘material difference in Scotland’s circumstances.’ As I say, it will be a no vote from me but I can’t argue with her right to hold another one. Just worried there will be emotional carnage in households across the country.

Gothichouse40 · 09/05/2021 14:30

I cannot face another referendum. I did think SNP would win the election and the Indy rhetoric would begin immediately. If we get Independence, I hope we are all prepared to dig very deeply into our pockets to pay for both this and the Pandemic. The SNP Manifesto was like a fantasy Christmas list. Where is all the money coming from? Please don't say oil. This Pandemic is not over and it still needs paid for. Nicola Sturgeon to be fair, is the only person who looks like a leader, talks like a leader and behaves like a leader. I just don't agree with her politics. Im wary of nationalism. There also seems to be a small fanatical element that follows the SNP that makes me feel uneasy. I dread the division and the anti-English sentiment that I witnessed during the last referendum. Half my family are English and I always want English people or any nationality to feel welcome in my country.

forfucksakenett · 09/05/2021 15:40

I'm beyond excited about another referendum.

There has been significant material change since 2014.

How can it possibly be undemocratic to not allow people a day in their future when it's as important as this.

Iwouldratherbesailing · 09/05/2021 15:49

I’m not digging deep to pay for Indy Scotland. Why would I? I have lived here all my life but never felt anything but British. My husband and I have paid over £250k in income tax / stamp duty in the past two years alone, but living in Britain is very important to us so we’ll be taking our tax revenue elsewhere. We won’t be the only ones.

Gothichouse40 · 09/05/2021 15:50

Sailing- I hear ya.

Newstepchild · 09/05/2021 15:53

The SNP just overwhelmingly won an election with an independence manifesto? How is it undemocratic to pursue what was promised?

forfucksakenett · 09/05/2021 15:58

@Iwouldratherbesailing

I’m not digging deep to pay for Indy Scotland. Why would I? I have lived here all my life but never felt anything but British. My husband and I have paid over £250k in income tax / stamp duty in the past two years alone, but living in Britain is very important to us so we’ll be taking our tax revenue elsewhere. We won’t be the only ones.
I do think it's genuinely sad that people feel like this and it shows how deep the division is.

I also have little doubt that we will attract lots of folk to replace you and others like you who don't fancy it. You've got to do what's right for you of course but I think an independent Scotland will appeal to many.

I would seriously have to think twice about moving if I felt I was going to be shackled to a right wing government that I didn't vote for for the rest of my days.

forfucksakenett · 09/05/2021 15:58

@Newstepchild

The SNP just overwhelmingly won an election with an independence manifesto? How is it undemocratic to pursue what was promised?
Exactly this.
Flossy05 · 09/05/2021 16:07

I won’t stay and pay for an independent Scotland either. I’m from NI & my husband is English so no family connections to keep us here. Once my kids are finished at school I think we would move.
I loved the Scots for their patriotism and culture when I moved here in the early 90s. It was so refreshing after growing up in a divided NI. I don’t feel this way anymore, there is too much division and hate. I feel like an outsider now.

Iwouldratherbesailing · 09/05/2021 16:10

The Tory party have just walked in and swept up in England’s traditionally Labour seats. They didn’t do this by being right wing, but by being centrists.

Iwouldratherbesailing · 09/05/2021 16:14

A lot of the higher rate tax payers in Scotland are British not Scottish. It’s part of what makes them successful - an open minded attitude and being prepared to move about for career progression. After COVID my husband’s Financial services firm have been told they are only needed in the office one day a month. We can keep our Scottish jobs and move them to England. No reason to stay apart from the kids education. If we’re going to have a referendum I hope it’s sooner rather than later so we know the result abs can move on with our lives..

MrsFin · 09/05/2021 16:29

Where is all the money coming from? Please don't say oil. This Pandemic is not over and it still needs paid for.

Not to mention Scotland's share of the national debt, and the removal of funding given under the Barnet formula.

Scotland isn't self sufficient now. Why would it be in future?

BewtySkoolDropowt · 09/05/2021 16:34

Wow, so many people that seem not to have noticed that things, politically, are significantly different now to what they were in 2014.

If it wasn't for Brexit, and Scotland voting to stay in the EU, I'm fairly sure that we wouldn't be looking at another referendum. It's not about 'not liking the decision so keeping going till we get the right answer'.

It would have been so much better to have the referendum after the Brexit vote, then it would really have been done and dusted. I'm so fed up with votes and politics right now, and the last thing I want is more bloody votes and campaigning. But it's obvious why there are calls for another referendum.

Newstepchild · 09/05/2021 16:40

@Iwouldratherbesailing

A lot of the higher rate tax payers in Scotland are British not Scottish. It’s part of what makes them successful - an open minded attitude and being prepared to move about for career progression. After COVID my husband’s Financial services firm have been told they are only needed in the office one day a month. We can keep our Scottish jobs and move them to England. No reason to stay apart from the kids education. If we’re going to have a referendum I hope it’s sooner rather than later so we know the result abs can move on with our lives..
Really? Non Scottish people living in Scotland pay more tax because they have a better attitude? Are there figures that back up this rather patronising statement?

Also not sure what you mean by ‘British’? Those identifying more as British than Scottish? Or English?

forfucksakenett · 09/05/2021 16:48

@Iwouldratherbesailing

A lot of the higher rate tax payers in Scotland are British not Scottish. It’s part of what makes them successful - an open minded attitude and being prepared to move about for career progression. After COVID my husband’s Financial services firm have been told they are only needed in the office one day a month. We can keep our Scottish jobs and move them to England. No reason to stay apart from the kids education. If we’re going to have a referendum I hope it’s sooner rather than later so we know the result abs can move on with our lives..
I love this 🤣🤣🤣🤣 hilarious. Do you have any evidence to back that up?
Helensburghmiddleagedmum · 09/05/2021 16:48

I think she is great, the best thing for Scotland, I am all for another referendum, if you don't want an independent Scotland vote no. I don't think we will get an independent Scotland at the moment, I don't know what the story will be in another couple of years. I am absolutely delighted with yesterday's result and the collaboration with the Greens.

forfucksakenett · 09/05/2021 16:49

@Helensburghmiddleagedmum

I think she is great, the best thing for Scotland, I am all for another referendum, if you don't want an independent Scotland vote no. I don't think we will get an independent Scotland at the moment, I don't know what the story will be in another couple of years. I am absolutely delighted with yesterday's result and the collaboration with the Greens.
Me too! 😀
DinosaurDiana · 09/05/2021 16:51

@NeverMetANiceOne

It's fucking ridiculous. Scotland voted, but apparently because Nicola didn't get her way we have to keep voting until she does get her way.
I agree. I tend to think that this is more about her making history than what is right/wrong for Scotland.
forfucksakenett · 09/05/2021 16:55

@NeverMetANiceOne with all respect that's a really silly statement.

Babdoc · 09/05/2021 17:05

There was only a 63% turn out for the election. The SNP didn’t even get a majority of seats at Holyrood, and only achieved 39% of all eligible Scots votes.
On what planet is that a mandate to waste £6million of taxpayers’ money on yet another divisive stupid referendum, when we are trying to recover from a pandemic?