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Nicola Sturgeon

492 replies

Iluvfriends · 09/05/2021 13:04

Is a hypocrite.

Boris will be 'picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people' and ' the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'

Forgive me if i'm being stupid but didn't we already have a vote on independence, how did that go. Oh that's right......not how NS wanted so she ignores the democratic wishes of the Scottish people and pushes for Indy 2.

Laughable how she comes out with this stuff.

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StarryEyeSurprise · 13/05/2021 09:11

@Selkiesarereal

And Stary, I don’t think there is anything “hilarious “ about job losses which is why I keep asking about this.
You're hilarious trying to pretend the only industry Scotland has is tourism.
StarryEyeSurprise · 13/05/2021 09:14

As part of the UK, we will enter the worst recession in 300 years ( Chancellor of the Exchequer's words, not mine). If we were independent, would we want to join the UK?

Selkiesarereal · 13/05/2021 09:17

No, you actually suggested that as an alternative to the lost trident jobs.

I have never said that I am in favour of trident but I do want a clear plan on place for those who will lose their jobs to mitigate against the wider impact on the community.

And again I will ask the question about what was our strategic plan for job creation in preparation for an independent Scotland and why is there nothing in place right now.

reprehensibleme · 13/05/2021 09:18

Oh, and over a third of Malta's population emigrated in the 20th century (mostly between 1945 and the 1990s) as the country's economy was pretty dire.

Scottishskifun · 13/05/2021 09:30

@StarryEyeSurprise

As part of the UK, we will enter the worst recession in 300 years ( Chancellor of the Exchequer's words, not mine). If we were independent, would we want to join the UK?
If we were independent would we have afforded to keep large parts of the country on furlough for over a year?! I doubt it.

It's also very blind sighted to think that Scotland won't have to take its proportion of that recession and debt!

Graffitiqueen · 13/05/2021 09:37

[quote WouldBeGood]@StarryEyeSurprise are you an economics graduate? How did you not know what foreign reserves were?[/quote]
She also claims to have worked in "the city" Hmm

StarryEyeSurprise · 13/05/2021 09:45

@scottishskifun

Estonia, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia plus many, many more have JR/ furlough in place .

Please don't believe DR and others when they say that Scotland could only afford furlough due to being part of the UK.

StarryEyeSurprise · 13/05/2021 09:45

Like I said, obsessed @Graffitiqueen

Graffitiqueen · 13/05/2021 09:47

@WouldBeGood

The pensions thing is appalling.

Would it be retrospective? If funds transferred to Scotland? Never mind a change of currency to confuse things

I very much doubt it will happen. There's a responsibility to ensure that people's funds are invested in the best way for them. And to be fair it is just a kind of think piece rather than actual policy.

It's just an example of some of the absolute craziness that comes out of these Indy groups that have important sounding names but clearly lack critical thinking.

Graffitiqueen · 13/05/2021 09:50

@StarryEyeSurprise

Like I said, obsessed *@Graffitiqueen*
You seem to enjoy being shown up for some reason. Are you not embarrassed in the slightest?
Graffitiqueen · 13/05/2021 09:53

@StarryEyeSurprise

As part of the UK, we will enter the worst recession in 300 years ( Chancellor of the Exchequer's words, not mine). If we were independent, would we want to join the UK?
So surely craziness to introduce another economic shock right now.
Selkiesarereal · 13/05/2021 10:00

Once again I will ask about what has been our strategic plan in the past 14 years for job creation to mitigate against known losses post independence?

Is there an answer to that?

Iwouldratherbesailing · 13/05/2021 10:02

You’d think they’d close down any of these batshit crazy commentators that come out with things such as the pensions article, rather than, err, publish it in a ‘newspaper’. Whoever thinks publishing these things helps the Indy cause clearly has no intelligence whatsoever. It’s just worrying.

StarryEyeSurprise · 13/05/2021 10:09

@Selkiesarereal

Once again I will ask about what has been our strategic plan in the past 14 years for job creation to mitigate against known losses post independence?

Is there an answer to that?

What's the UK Government 's strategic plan to mitigate the job losses which will occur as part of the worst recession for 300 years? Come on, you want us to stay with the UK so I'm sure you have a detailed plan. Smile
charliebrown59 · 13/05/2021 10:16

The UK plan will be published at the same time as that white paper on how it'll all work won't it?

WouldBeGood · 13/05/2021 10:18

I’m beginning to suspect that starry is not in fact an economist.

Graffitiqueen · 13/05/2021 10:18

@Iwouldratherbesailing

You’d think they’d close down any of these batshit crazy commentators that come out with things such as the pensions article, rather than, err, publish it in a ‘newspaper’. Whoever thinks publishing these things helps the Indy cause clearly has no intelligence whatsoever. It’s just worrying.
I do wonder sometimes if the National is actually a pro Indy paper as some of the stuff the print is just so crazy. And some of the headlines?!?!

I do think it's good to think about ways of making pension saving and tax relief more equitable. There does seem to be an inability to think through even the most basic of implications with some of these ideas that are put forward though. Like why we have tax relief on pensions in the first place and what would be the likely result of removing it.

Graffitiqueen · 13/05/2021 10:25

@WouldBeGood

I’m beginning to suspect that starry is not in fact an economist.
Wonder what made you suspect that....?
Selkiesarereal · 13/05/2021 10:47

There has been 14 years to have some sort of plan so again what is it. What is our government doing to actively prepare this country for independence to mitigate the inevitable job losses.

Please don’t bang on about Westminster as I’m interested in Scotland right now.

StarryEyeSurprise · 13/05/2021 10:52

I'm really trying to rise above you both here and just ignore you.

I can't even remember it's so inconsequential in my life tbh but if you're referring to federal reserves, yes I'm aware what they are. Does asking a question mean you don't know the answer? It seams so. You should both be very embarrassed if that's your logic.

Oh and as I'm sure that anyone with half a brain cell will know, when I posted re QE (and was trying to make it as simple as possible for you) it's quite obvious that QE will occur under the UK Gov and the ability to apply QE will switch to the SG's responsibility at an agreed date. I'm quite sure I posted how countries run deficits in normal times too.

I'm away to have a lovely day with my beautiful family. Smile I can't say this enough- I don't think it's physically possible to care less than I do about what two strangers think of me ( the explanation is more for others - to call you out on your BS).

Scottishskifun · 13/05/2021 10:56

What's the UK Government 's strategic plan to mitigate the job losses which will occur as part of the worst recession for 300 years?

@starryeyesuprise what like the build back better growth plan published by the UK govt for investment and growth you mean?!
With so far £75 million confirmed for technology deal which will include jobs....

Suggest you do some reading before constantly saying WM isn't doing anything. It's not difficult to find the information out!

www.gov.uk/government/publications/build-back-better-our-plan-for-growth

Selkiesarereal · 13/05/2021 10:57

I have simply asking a question, not trying to be goady but want to know as it seems apparent that there is no plan which is hugely worrying for those left here without a job.

As I have said before, it’s time for grown up politics preparing for independence which I think will be inevitable and lessen the pain but so far I have not seen any signs of this which is why I keep asking in the desperate hope that I am wrong and there is a plan.

reprehensibleme · 13/05/2021 10:58

AS per question above about UK government's plan for job creation:
www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/20/green-stimulus-plan-uk-jobs-green-new-deal - green jobs stimulus plan could create 1.2M jobs within next 2 years and 2.7M over next decade.

Freeports - the proposed Teeside freeport could create 18,000 jobs.

These are 2 instances from a coupld of minutes checking, at least there are plans in place.

Graffitiqueen · 13/05/2021 10:59

@StarryEyeSurprise

I'm really trying to rise above you both here and just ignore you.

I can't even remember it's so inconsequential in my life tbh but if you're referring to federal reserves, yes I'm aware what they are. Does asking a question mean you don't know the answer? It seams so. You should both be very embarrassed if that's your logic.

Oh and as I'm sure that anyone with half a brain cell will know, when I posted re QE (and was trying to make it as simple as possible for you) it's quite obvious that QE will occur under the UK Gov and the ability to apply QE will switch to the SG's responsibility at an agreed date. I'm quite sure I posted how countries run deficits in normal times too.

I'm away to have a lovely day with my beautiful family. Smile I can't say this enough- I don't think it's physically possible to care less than I do about what two strangers think of me ( the explanation is more for others - to call you out on your BS).

The question was about the deficit, not crisis management. The more you talk the more you show up that you just don't understand this stuff.
Graffitiqueen · 13/05/2021 11:07

@StarryEyeSurprise

I'm really trying to rise above you both here and just ignore you.

I can't even remember it's so inconsequential in my life tbh but if you're referring to federal reserves, yes I'm aware what they are. Does asking a question mean you don't know the answer? It seams so. You should both be very embarrassed if that's your logic.

Oh and as I'm sure that anyone with half a brain cell will know, when I posted re QE (and was trying to make it as simple as possible for you) it's quite obvious that QE will occur under the UK Gov and the ability to apply QE will switch to the SG's responsibility at an agreed date. I'm quite sure I posted how countries run deficits in normal times too.

I'm away to have a lovely day with my beautiful family. Smile I can't say this enough- I don't think it's physically possible to care less than I do about what two strangers think of me ( the explanation is more for others - to call you out on your BS).

This was your answer to the question. It's obviously wrong.

You posted that the government should have used QE to build more council houses in 2010 demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of where the money goes during QE.

Nicola Sturgeon