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Nicola Sturgeon

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Iluvfriends · 09/05/2021 13:04

Is a hypocrite.

Boris will be 'picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people' and ' the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'

Forgive me if i'm being stupid but didn't we already have a vote on independence, how did that go. Oh that's right......not how NS wanted so she ignores the democratic wishes of the Scottish people and pushes for Indy 2.

Laughable how she comes out with this stuff.

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forfucksakenett · 09/05/2021 17:13

@Babdoc

There was only a 63% turn out for the election. The SNP didn’t even get a majority of seats at Holyrood, and only achieved 39% of all eligible Scots votes. On what planet is that a mandate to waste £6million of taxpayers’ money on yet another divisive stupid referendum, when we are trying to recover from a pandemic?
They can't be held responsible for those who didn't bother their arse to vote.
Newstepchild · 09/05/2021 17:15

@babdoc they didn't get a majority because of proportional representation. If it had been first past the post like Westminster elections they would have an overwhelming majority of the seats.

They won the election with a clear manifesto for independence. The Greens also increased their share of the vote, and their number of seats, with the same clear stance on independence. There is therefore a clear mandate to pursue another referendum in due course.

thedevilinablackdress · 09/05/2021 17:17

@babdoc 63% is a very high turnout and the Scottish parliament voting system is deliberately designed to make it difficult for one party to get a majority. The more constituency seat you get, the fewer list seats you're eligible for.

Quincie · 09/05/2021 17:30

The greens had a policy for a wealth tax on total savings - so house, pension etc added together - Not a chance is anyone slicing my pension pot, I'd be off to ..... Brampton or maybe the Lakes.

I feel England will do quite well on its own. Still making a good whack from financial business in London - and not having to share it.

Pemberleys · 09/05/2021 17:38

@Helensburghmiddleagedmum

I think she is great, the best thing for Scotland, I am all for another referendum, if you don't want an independent Scotland vote no. I don't think we will get an independent Scotland at the moment, I don't know what the story will be in another couple of years. I am absolutely delighted with yesterday's result and the collaboration with the Greens.
Me three!
Bloodypunkrockers · 09/05/2021 17:39

@NeverMetANiceOne

It's fucking ridiculous. Scotland voted, but apparently because Nicola didn't get her way we have to keep voting until she does get her way.
Yep
forfucksakenett · 09/05/2021 18:00

@Quincie

The greens had a policy for a wealth tax on total savings - so house, pension etc added together - Not a chance is anyone slicing my pension pot, I'd be off to ..... Brampton or maybe the Lakes.

I feel England will do quite well on its own. Still making a good whack from financial business in London - and not having to share it.

I know it's strange they aren't keener to let us go tbh.
mummywithtwokidsplusdog · 09/05/2021 18:05

I hate how decisive the independence chat is.... it’s so unsettling. If there’s another referendum and it goes the other way we’ll be leaving before our house value crashes etc. In the meantime I’m going to stop watching the news/listening to the radio etc as I find it really stressful.

Rhannion · 09/05/2021 19:47

@NeverMetANiceOne

It's fucking ridiculous. Scotland voted, but apparently because Nicola didn't get her way we have to keep voting until she does get her way.
Totally agree! In some ways it would be great to see her lose again, I just hate the waste of money and resources involved again. There are much better things to spend the money on.
RaraRachael · 09/05/2021 19:54

NS famously said "Judge me on education". I've never known Scottish education to be in a worse state, yet she got in again. I must be missing something.

SixesAndEights · 09/05/2021 22:36

There wouldn't be any hint of another referendum if it weren't for two things. Firstly, after the first vote, some sort of devo max needed to be discussed and implemented. Feeling more of a part of a UK that cared about all its constituent parts would have lessened interest in independence. Instead, EVEL was implemented with a sense of glee from the UK Gvmt that it had got one over on independence supporters.

Secondly, the aftermath of the Brexit vote. Had the UK Gvmt acted like adults and said, right we appear to have an issue here where England has voted for Brexit, so has Wales but NI and Scotland haven't, what can we do about that? That would have opened discussion about the possibilities and eventually come to a concensus about how to cater for all parts of the UK which would have lessened independence support. Instead, no one but the UK Gvmt had any input and the Conservatives treated the vote as if it had been a 90/10 split in favour, not near enough half and half.

Both of these things pissed off a lot of people, and has led directly to support for independence growing and the constitutional question never going away.

Nicola Sturgeon said she didn't want another referendum before support was around 60%. That would have slowly but gradually have been reached over time had it not been for the two events I mentioned. I think she would still rather wait, but she's not going to get the chance to because she is very aware that momentum for another referendum has been building since 2016.

So if you're going to blame anyone, blame the UK Gvmt for acting as they did, rather than using their brains and working constructively to contain a rise in pro-independence feeling.

Gothichouse40 · 10/05/2021 03:12

HelensburghMum, Im quite surprised that anyone from your part of the country would want another Indy Ref. I hope you realise that if we get Independence, the many jobs at Faslane etc will go elsewhere.The British Armed Forces wont be ours. My fear for Helensburgh and towns like it is they lose these jobs, but nothing replaces them.How do you think the West Coast will survive when these jobs move back to England after Independence? What will replace it? Im not looking for an argument, Im genuinely curious to hear what folk in Helensburgh etc think as the Navy has been there a long time. On another note, Scotland will also not be able to help you if you get into difficulty abroad, as after Independence there will be no Foreign Office. Scotland will have to be prepared for their own Embassies to be set up around the world and that will cost a fortune.

user1487194234 · 10/05/2021 06:32

I honestly don’t see the election result as a mandate for independence
The thought of another referendum makes me feel ill
All that money and effort when there are so many other things to sort out
And a very good chance it would be a very close result with the argument going on again

AC12theletterofthelaw · 10/05/2021 07:15

Is it guaranteed that Scotland would become members of the EU though?

Iwouldratherbesailing · 10/05/2021 08:07

Of course it’s not guaranteed that Scotland would be accepted into the Eu. There are a number of entrance criteria that have to be met first, and all countries would have to accept them. Spain would be given the right to veto.

Quincie · 10/05/2021 08:19

And a very good chance it would be a very close result with the argument going on again

Yes, but we remainers could demand an Indyref3, just like after the first 'once in a generation' hahaha referendum.

user1487194234 · 10/05/2021 08:35

I do think it should be a once in a generation thing,like was promised
Scotland said no in the referendum,and by a far bigger majority than the SNP achieved in this election
It’s not even 7 years since the referendum,and we have had Brexit and the pandemic
The country seems to be totally split
Surely it would e best to leave it for another generation by which time there may be a strong majority one way or the other

Quincie · 10/05/2021 08:59

Well the Law will decide I think. Possibly depends on the criteria for the first one. We will see.

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 10:04

[quote forfucksakenett]@NeverMetANiceOne with all respect that's a really silly statement. [/quote]
To quote you on another thread. " You know what it means when folk turn to insults"

NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 10:34

I do think it should be a once in a generation thing,like was promised

When was that ever a promise? As far as I recall it was an off the cuff remark that has been somehow elevated into something it never was. It was never part of the agreement, it wasn't in any official paperwork. It was one person's comment that the media ran with.

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 10:38

@NowtSoQueerAsFolk

I do think it should be a once in a generation thing,like was promised

When was that ever a promise? As far as I recall it was an off the cuff remark that has been somehow elevated into something it never was. It was never part of the agreement, it wasn't in any official paperwork. It was one person's comment that the media ran with.

Actually it was in the white paper so was an official statement.
Gothichouse40 · 10/05/2021 10:39

If Scotland wants to join the EU, they will have to accept the Euro. That's the rules. Be prepared for prices going up if we do. Ireland (Republic) is ridiculously expensive. The EU was also in chaos over vaccination programme. For some reason that I dont know, the EU sat on their hands for 2-3 weeks over the Christmas period, while here we were getting on with vaccination/vaccines. Im going to be honest I don't want the Euro. I also feel the EU is divided and petty. There are companies who say they will pack up and go if Scotland gains Independence.If these companies leave,then no armed forces here so no Faslane etc, no Barnett Formula, and oil down the toilet. How are we going to pay for our Independence? How are ordinary people going to live and what work will they have? Im also very concerned that with yet more uncertainty over another Independence Ref that companies will not invest here, as they will see our future as being too uncertain. The SNP are forever banging on about being like Norway and Denmark. They are both smaller populations than here. Norwegians pay something like 46% in their tax, the Danish approx 39%. Norway is the most expensive country in the EU for food. Every country in the world including ours, is in massive debt due to the Pandemic. I think we have much more on our plate to think about than a second Independence Referendum.

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 10:41

@NowtSoQueerAsFolk

I do think it should be a once in a generation thing,like was promised

When was that ever a promise? As far as I recall it was an off the cuff remark that has been somehow elevated into something it never was. It was never part of the agreement, it wasn't in any official paperwork. It was one person's comment that the media ran with.

www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-future/pages/15/ see section 557
NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 10:47

Oh yes, so it was. The quote from the Q&A section of the white paper is

It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent

That doesn't sound like a promise, it sounds like the opinion of a government elected in 2011 based on the information they had then. We've had two Holyrood elections since then, and quite a few changes (leadership, representatives), so can anyone argue that is the same Scottish government now?

user1487194234 · 10/05/2021 10:47

An off the cuff remark
I don’t think so
In the White paper and regularly referenced to try and get people to vote Yes
But now conveniently forgotten (lied about)