Nicola Sturgeon

[Iluvfriends]

Is a hypocrite.

Boris will be 'picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people' and ' the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'

Forgive me if i'm being stupid but didn't we already have a vote on independence, how did that go. Oh that's right......not how NS wanted so she ignores the democratic wishes of the Scottish people and pushes for Indy 2.

Laughable how she comes out with this stuff.

@HarrisMcCoo

Quasi independence referendum last Thursday according to Prof Curtice on BBC Radio Scotland this morning. Still a stale mate🤷🏻

I really rate Prof Curtice, he's my go to for a neutral look at what's happening, but I think he's not correct in this instance.

Up to 40% of Labour voters support independence, some Lib Dems and, amazingly, a few Tories. And some SNP and Green supports don't.

So you can't conflate this election which is about voting for what you think is the best political party, with a referendum which asks a binary question.

There are regular opinion polls which say pretty much the same thing though. The 45-55 split didn't really move for five years after the referendum. Only in the last year has Yes moved up about so that it's now on a knife edge.

I don't think Sturgeon will want indyref2 until she is confident of winning decisively, and who knows whether that day will ever come. Indeed I suspect this is the real reason for her fight with Salmond.

Hilarious @forfucksakenett @Spasiba

So is Scotnet not actually for Scottish people? Is it for English people to start threads mouthing off their hateful opinions about the country?

I wouldnt dream of staring a thread on how I think England should be voting or behaving.

@NowtSoQueerAsFolk

Maybe. Not from the figures I've seen, but you might know differently.

The health boards which are on 18 year olds are Islands because their population is low and Moray area due to attempts to control an outbreak. The majority of others are just hitting the over 40s.

There is a small percentage difference but this equates to quite a lot of people and some areas are behind.

As for NS I'm pretty fed up with the lectures so can only hope the daily soap box podium doesn't come back.
She knows she wouldn't win a independence election in the next 12 months especially when many businesses are still struggling massively to even get the funding help NS promised.

@Maria53

Hilarious *@forfucksakenett* *@Spasiba*

So is Scotnet not actually for Scottish people? Is it for English people to start threads mouthing off their hateful opinions about the country?

I wouldnt dream of staring a thread on how I think England should be voting or behaving.

I was laughing because it's the most ridiculous thing I've read. I don't agree with it.

It’s very telling that when Sturgeon is interviewed about independence she claims to have done no work on what currency Scotland would use or how much it would raise taxes and cut services to cope with the huge deficit.
It is inconceivable that she hasn’t considered these major stumbling blocks!
She is lying, because admitting the truth - that every adult in Scotland would be £2000 a year worse off - will not sell well with her deluded supporters.

I was pro independence oh so many years ago when we had the referendum. I now don’t give a shit and refuse to vote because I am sick to the back teeth of politics, referendums and the absolute shit show those in power have made of the entire country (not just Scotland). A lot of pro independence voters around my way have changed their minds because no one here really has the appetite for any more change. It’s been a shitty few years, give us a break before pushing for things

God, as an English person living in Scotland I'm not looking forward to this again. It wasn't much fun hearing things like 'I'm not being funny, Suggestionsplease, but I don't think you should be allowed to vote in this referendum.'

It is divisive, whatever way you look at it. I generally like Nicola Sturgeon but even the language she is using is divisive.... 'the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'..

Well what about all the English, Welsh, Northern Irish people living in Scotland? What about the European and Commonwealth citizens who are resident? Her language is already othering us and setting the scenes for further division.

'the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people' - this wasn't true last time, is she changing the eligibility rules this time? Maybe those people who told me I shouldn't be allowed to vote will be right this time round?

I don't see how the finances add up. Last time it was like we were being promised the luxuries of the Nordic social welfare model of coupled with an unchanged taxation system - at least be honest and tell us how this will be funded.

The oil isn't there, the distribution of UK public funding does subsidise Scotland presently - tax revenue generated by Scotland is £66 billion and Scptland receives £81 billion, so £15 billion more. Now we've got Coronavirus to recover from on top.

Is joining the European Union guaranteed? Last time several European Countries were kicking up a fuss as they were concerned about regions of their own countries going for independence - eg Basque areas. They were very reluctant to let Scotland have easy entrance into the EU as this would embolden separatists in their own countries.

But a heck of a lot of SNP voters don’t realise / refuse to admit / deny deny deny that Scotland is subsidised by the result if the UK. And Nicola has no interest whatsoever in putting them straight.

Rest of!

I assume you want rid of Wales and NI too Spasiba, since we are all such a drain on the English taxpayer.

I could not get the link to work but there is an interesting article in the Scotsman. “ Nicola Sturgeon ‘s personality cult may mean she will ultimately face the same fate as Margaret Thatcher “
One of the reasons being she is hated and loved in equal measure and that the SNP made the election campaign about her .. strong leadership etc. It’s all about Nicola and that was the same mistake that lead to Thatcher losing the leadership.

Have a read ... it’s an interesting take whether you agree with it or not .

@suggestionsplease1

God, as an English person living in Scotland I'm not looking forward to this again. It wasn't much fun hearing things like 'I'm not being funny, Suggestionsplease, but I don't think you should be allowed to vote in this referendum.'

It is divisive, whatever way you look at it. I generally like Nicola Sturgeon but even the language she is using is divisive.... 'the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'..

Well what about all the English, Welsh, Northern Irish people living in Scotland? What about the European and Commonwealth citizens who are resident? Her language is already othering us and setting the scenes for further division.

'the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people' - this wasn't true last time, is she changing the eligibility rules this time? Maybe those people who told me I shouldn't be allowed to vote will be right this time round?

I don't see how the finances add up. Last time it was like we were being promised the luxuries of the Nordic social welfare model of coupled with an unchanged taxation system - at least be honest and tell us how this will be funded.

The oil isn't there, the distribution of UK public funding does subsidise Scotland presently - tax revenue generated by Scotland is £66 billion and Scptland receives £81 billion, so £15 billion more. Now we've got Coronavirus to recover from on top.

Is joining the European Union guaranteed? Last time several European Countries were kicking up a fuss as they were concerned about regions of their own countries going for independence - eg Basque areas. They were very reluctant to let Scotland have easy entrance into the EU as this would embolden separatists in their own countries.

Scottish people = people living in Scotland. You don't need to be a brain of Britain to realise that. As if she can list all the nationalities living in the country (!)

Also, England does not subsidised Scotland. You don't need to believe a stranger from. the Internet. WM refused a petition to discuss this in Parliament as they stated it was incorrect as ' Scotland is not subsidised.'

Voting for SNP last week is not automatically a vote for independence.

Turnout last week was not great - 63% overall - I would not be happy with any decision re independence if over a third of the population didn't express a view on the issue

Whatever happens the independence reference needs to reflect the wishes of a clear majority of the population for example. turnout needs to be over 85% and 75% of those who vote need to vote for independence. Otherwise the country will be hugely divided and it will take generations for wounds to heal if it all.

@Babdoc

It’s very telling that when Sturgeon is interviewed about independence she claims to have done no work on what currency Scotland would use or how much it would raise taxes and cut services to cope with the huge deficit. It is inconceivable that she hasn’t considered these major stumbling blocks! She is lying, because admitting the truth - that every adult in Scotland would be £2000 a year worse off - will not sell well with her deluded supporters.

Are you for real? Or just baiting?

@StarryEyeSurprise Actually I think there is a huge difference between 'Scottish People' and 'People in/of Scotland' - which is what I think she should have said. I don't identify as Scottish but I am a person in Scotland - and there are hundreds of thousands of us!

In the 2011 census (-latest good figures I can find,) 84% of Scotland’s white population (which comprised 96% of the overall population in Scotland) reported their ethnicity as ‘White: Scottish’ - meaning that 16% of the white population identified as something else . If we guestimate that the 4% who identified as other non white ethnicities followed similar proportions of incorporating Scottishness in their identities (the stats that I find do not break this down, but this is a fairly generous allowance I think, to say that 84% of them also identify as Scottish in addition to another ethnicity) then 16% of 5,463,300, (2019 population) is 874,128 people that don't identify as Scottish - but we are in Scotland!

Unless, of course, the eligibility rules for voters are being changed, and it's only Scottish identifying people voting rather than people in Scotland.

In terms of UK public spending and how that works in terms of Scotland check out the following link:

www.deliveringforscotland.gov.uk/scotland-in-the-uk/public-spending/

Scotland is subsidised - £15bn a year.

Jeez! I thought you claimed to have an economics degree?

It’s not random people off the internet. It’s the Financial Times, the London school of economics, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the GERS figures and many many more that say this. Independent, extremely highly regarded economists - the most respected brains in the country - who’s very livelihoods depend on their impartiality. If you are one of those Yes supporters that cannot get even this basic, the most basic of truths into your mind as you have been so brainwashed by the propaganda fed by the SNP I give in. You just cannot be debated with!

@Iwouldratherbesailing

Scotland is subsidised - £15bn a year.

Jeez! I thought you claimed to have an economics degree?

It’s not random people off the internet. It’s the Financial Times, the London school of economics, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the GERS figures and many many more that say this. Independent, extremely highly regarded economists - the most respected brains in the country - who’s very livelihoods depend on their impartiality. If you are one of those Yes supporters that cannot get even this basic, the most basic of truths into your mind as you have been so brainwashed by the propaganda fed by the SNP I give in. You just cannot be debated with!

It beggars belief doesn't it?!

She also claims to have read the growth commission report which specifically deals with how to reduce the deficit that many nats claims doesn't exist.

StarryEyeSurprise, look at Sturgeon’s car crash interview with Andrew Marr on 25th April. I have no need to “bait”!
I am indeed “ for real” - I’m an English retired doctor who has lived and worked in Scotland for over forty years. And am disgusted at what the SNP have done to my country.

www.ft.com/content/ff6c0f6b-2d65-4a4e-bbba-878e2260cf3e

The message here states that if Scotland wants to make a success of independence (and all of the economists say they can!) they need to be honest about the tax rises and spending cuts needed. The problem the SNP have is if they are honest people won’t vote for it.

@Iwouldratherbesailing

Scotland is subsidised - £15bn a year.

Jeez! I thought you claimed to have an economics degree?

It’s not random people off the internet. It’s the Financial Times, the London school of economics, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the GERS figures and many many more that say this. Independent, extremely highly regarded economists - the most respected brains in the country - who’s very livelihoods depend on their impartiality. If you are one of those Yes supporters that cannot get even this basic, the most basic of truths into your mind as you have been so brainwashed by the propaganda fed by the SNP I give in. You just cannot be debated with!

So The House of Commons were lying when they said ( in writing) that Scotland is not subsidised.

You know I'd have a lot more respect for the SNP if they were honest about how they would have to go about funding independence, rather than feeling that there's an attempt to hoodwink people going on and achieving it through the back door.

At least then everyone can say 'We went into this with our eyes open; we knew what it would take and decided it was worth it.'

I still don't think I would vote for it myself but I would certainly respect the integrity of that pathway and get on board with what the majority of the people in Scotland wanted if that was decided.

@suggestionsplease1

You know I'd have a lot more respect for the SNP if they were honest about how they would have to go about funding independence, rather than feeling that there's an attempt to hoodwink people going on and achieving it through the back door.

At least then everyone can say 'We went into this with our eyes open; we knew what it would take and decided it was worth it.'

I still don't think I would vote for it myself but I would certainly respect the integrity of that pathway and get on board with what the majority of the people in Scotland wanted if that was decided.

The up to date white paper hasn't been created yet though. It will be when a vote goes ahead.

@starryeyesuprise I think it depends on the year that was written in house of commons documents as it used to largely take into account oil and gas revenue which has bottomed out in recent years.

The most recent figures as presented in house of commons with and without oil and gas do show a deficit so yes even what was written in the house of commons show a gap of scottish spending compared to Scottish generated tax income.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06625/