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Nicola Sturgeon

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Iluvfriends · 09/05/2021 13:04

Is a hypocrite.

Boris will be 'picking a fight with the democratic wishes of the Scottish people' and ' the only people that can decide the future of Scotland are the Scottish people'

Forgive me if i'm being stupid but didn't we already have a vote on independence, how did that go. Oh that's right......not how NS wanted so she ignores the democratic wishes of the Scottish people and pushes for Indy 2.

Laughable how she comes out with this stuff.

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NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 10:48

Oh gosh, look at that. You even sent me a link. Don't worry, I'm quite capable of doing my own research.

SixesAndEights · 10/05/2021 10:49

Once in a,generation was a slogan, just like Johnson used it in the run up to the 2019 general election. Are you suggesting we never have another because he said that?

Joining the EU means committing to the Euro at some point, but you can commit to it for years and years and never implement it. Just like some countries do.

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 10:50

@NowtSoQueerAsFolk

Oh gosh, look at that. You even sent me a link. Don't worry, I'm quite capable of doing my own research.
Hmm given how widely this fallacy that it was never in official documents is stated I'm not sure many are capable..
Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 10:51

But look, now its moved from it was off the cuff and never written down to arguing about the semantics. Of course.

NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 10:52

If we are holding the SNP to that, we really need to be looking at holding Boris to the money for the NHS and some of the many other things he has said.

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 10:53

@SixesAndEights

Once in a,generation was a slogan, just like Johnson used it in the run up to the 2019 general election. Are you suggesting we never have another because he said that?

Joining the EU means committing to the Euro at some point, but you can commit to it for years and years and never implement it. Just like some countries do.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that there should never ever in the history of Scotland be another referendum. Just that we had one recently, there's no indication that voters have changed their minds and that you'd have to be an absolute fanatic to suggest having one while trying to recover from a huge economic shock and a global pandemic.
Tallpaulwho · 10/05/2021 10:54

Sturgeon doesn't actually want another referendum, it's all just hot air as the SNP know damn well parliament will not allow it. All the grievance mongering however keeps the SNP in power and Nicola Sturgeon as the highest paid politician in the UK. She knows very well independence would be a disaster financially for most Scottish people, who would react by voting the SNP out. All the SNP MPs and MSPs would lose their easy money and they know it.

So slow clap for those that still vote SNP and Greens, putting Scotland into another 5 years of limbo where constitutional grievance has all the attention but schools, health and welfare are ignored.

NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 10:54

@Graffitiqueen

But look, now its moved from it was off the cuff and never written down to arguing about the semantics. Of course.
Do you have nothing to say about the fact that it certainly doesn't read like a promise then? Because that's why I am talking about it. Someone said it was a promise. It doesn't look much like one to me.
user1487194234 · 10/05/2021 11:01

I certainly don’t think there should be another referendum unless it is clear the position of the Scottish people has changed
Would be absolute madness
The SG should be concentrating on sorting out the country coming out of lockdown,education,poverty etc

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 11:04

🙄again semantics. I would have said it was used as more of a threat and emotional blackmail by the yes campaign actually.

NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 11:08

How is that semantics? They said it based on the information they had at the time. It was never a promise, it was their view based on the current political climate.

Mind you, it's not surprising that people are confused by it, when even Douglas Ross thought it was an official part of the agreement.

Quincie · 10/05/2021 11:09

From the 2014 referendum Gov info -
588. What will Scotland's national anthem be?

A decision on Scotland's official national anthem will be for the first Scottish Parliament of an independent Scotland following consultation with the people of Scotland.

Songs such as "Flower of Scotland" and "Scots Wha Hae" will continue to be sung as unofficial national anthems in the meantime.

Oh well, something good might come of it - getting rid of teh whinging dirge that is 'flower of scotland'.
Not even factually correct as there were same number of Scots in Cumberrland's army as on the Jacobite side.

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 11:14

@NowtSoQueerAsFolk

How is that semantics? They said it based on the information they had at the time. It was never a promise, it was their view based on the current political climate.

Mind you, it's not surprising that people are confused by it, when even Douglas Ross thought it was an official part of the agreement.

It's interesting how the argument shifts from, "oh no one ever said that", to "oh it was never written down" to "oh but that's not what we meant".

It fools no one.

Jannetra17 · 10/05/2021 11:28

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NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 11:28

It's interesting how you are repeating yourself and adding nothing new.

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 11:33

@NowtSoQueerAsFolk

It's interesting how you are repeating yourself and adding nothing new.
I'm not quite sure what you expect me to add that's new here? It's clear that you have no argument.
Ianrankinfan · 10/05/2021 11:37

Agree with you Graffitiqueen that the argument has changed to ...”we never meant that “. Semantics.

Bytheloch · 10/05/2021 11:39

@Tallpaulwho

Sturgeon doesn't actually want another referendum, it's all just hot air as the SNP know damn well parliament will not allow it. All the grievance mongering however keeps the SNP in power and Nicola Sturgeon as the highest paid politician in the UK. She knows very well independence would be a disaster financially for most Scottish people, who would react by voting the SNP out. All the SNP MPs and MSPs would lose their easy money and they know it.

So slow clap for those that still vote SNP and Greens, putting Scotland into another 5 years of limbo where constitutional grievance has all the attention but schools, health and welfare are ignored.

This is absolutely spot on.

Making lots of noise right now, to pacify those who voted purely for inde ref. Can then say ‘we tried’ before she sods off to a nicely paid posting at the EU or industry. Anyone who thinks otherwise, or believes that anyone in the top tier of the SNP is there because they care about the electorate is quite frankly, very naive.

NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 11:42

My argument is that 'once in a generation' was never a promise.

Saying 'it's semantics' is a poor argument against it, if you don't back it up, which you haven't. Repeating 'it's interesting how the argument shifts' for the sake of it just makes you look like you have no argument.

But until you come up with something more, I don't see that you have added anything of value. Which I'm pretty sure you will claim of me too, and you'd probably be right. But at least I was responding to a poster, in context, and admitted where I was wrong.

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 11:48

@NowtSoQueerAsFolk

My argument is that 'once in a generation' was never a promise.

Saying 'it's semantics' is a poor argument against it, if you don't back it up, which you haven't. Repeating 'it's interesting how the argument shifts' for the sake of it just makes you look like you have no argument.

But until you come up with something more, I don't see that you have added anything of value. Which I'm pretty sure you will claim of me too, and you'd probably be right. But at least I was responding to a poster, in context, and admitted where I was wrong.

No the argument shifted because you were trying to weasel out of being shown up to be wrong at every point. And it's there for everyone to see.

You don't get away with regurgitating nat fallacies on here. Try harder.

NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 11:56

Nonsense.

I was wondering about one thing. I owned it.

My point still stands, until someone says something other than 'semantics' to demonstrate how that could be construed as a promise. It reads like an opinion.

I'm sorely tempted to list all Boris's failed 'promises' here, to see what you have to say about them, but I really don't have time 😁

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 11:59

And there's another Nat fallacy that all no voters are Boris fans. Again try harder.

It's almost like you think we didn't see Nicola and Salmond standing with once in a generation posters. That we didn't hear what they said that we can't see what is written down in multiple places.

You're fooling no one apart from maybe yourself.

NowtSoQueerAsFolk · 10/05/2021 12:14

Hahaha, where did I say you were a fan? Honestly, my position is that I think people don't like him until they say otherwise.

Boris, though, has made loads of promises that haven't been seen through (things that sound a lot more like promises than the generation thing ever did) and yet nobody is going on about it. All the stuff around Brexit? Forgotten. People are still voting for him. Despite the fact he is now in a stronger position to do something about it.

Yet the die hard unionists persist with this generation argument. Despite a) not being a promise and b) the leadership having changed since.

I'm not an SNP supporter, despite what you think. I think independence would be a total disaster right now. I wouldn't necessarily be against it in the future, but that would depend on a lot of factors.

We aren't going to agree, and that's okay. But please don't put words in my mouth.

Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 12:20

@NowtSoQueerAsFolk

Hahaha, where did I say you were a fan? Honestly, my position is that I think people don't like him until they say otherwise.

Boris, though, has made loads of promises that haven't been seen through (things that sound a lot more like promises than the generation thing ever did) and yet nobody is going on about it. All the stuff around Brexit? Forgotten. People are still voting for him. Despite the fact he is now in a stronger position to do something about it.

Yet the die hard unionists persist with this generation argument. Despite a) not being a promise and b) the leadership having changed since.

I'm not an SNP supporter, despite what you think. I think independence would be a total disaster right now. I wouldn't necessarily be against it in the future, but that would depend on a lot of factors.

We aren't going to agree, and that's okay. But please don't put words in my mouth.

Well what was the point of asking me about Boris then? Honestly you really aren't fooling anyone.
Graffitiqueen · 10/05/2021 12:21

And I don't need to put words in your mouth they are there for everyone to see.