Feel depressed about the future

[Hobnob39]

The election results have made me feel really bluuuuerrgh.
I HATED the divisiveness of indyref1, I don't want another referendum. I want our government to do a better day job, but independence is going to be the focus until it happens now isn't it? I don't want independence for the same reasons I didn't want Brexit - I feel we shouldn't be dividing ourselves off into ever smaller parochial wee groups who all think we are somehow better than everyone else. It's enough to make me want to move... my DH is English and he wants to, but I have resisted, but it's getting harder to explain why. The only problem I have though is that I see the results in England and feel they as bad - I don't understand why people who are shafted by the Tory party are the ones voting for them! I just do know where I belong now. It feels to me that Scotland is stuck with SNP and England stuck with Tory, and I'm adrift as I don't feel either represent me. Anyone else?

What about Wales? They voted Labour, perhaps that would match with you more? I know how you feel about England, though.

I feel the same, I am from NI and my husband is English. I fell in love with Scotland in 1993 when I came here for uni but my love affair ended in the lead up to the 2014 referendum. Everyone became so bitter and my English friends were subjected to abuse. It wasn’t nice. I wouldn’t go back to NI and don’t fancy England under the Tories. My FIL is Welsh so maybe that’s an option!

Mark Drayford has said that if a majority in the Senedd want a referendum they'll have one, so if you want to avoid independence referendums perhaps not Wales either.

They didn’t get a majority government. It’ll be very hard for them to call an indyref any time soon.

No need for anyone to worry then.

Steve, "they" do have a majority. BBC is claiming that it had to be SNP only, which the voting system in Scotland makes it almost impossible to achieve. I like the idea of shared governance. More inclusive than the mayhem down south.

I'm very depressed but Sturgeon didn't get a majority of seats; and even adding in the Green vote the total separatist vote is less than the total Unionist vote. Sturgeon has no mandate to demand a referendum.

I hope Boris Johnson tells her to get lost.

Yep - feel almost exactly the same. I could take Irish citizenship and there's a bit of me wonders about there... SO fed up with governance arrangements being the focus for all political discussions.

I probably didn't make it clear in my OP, but it's not that I am looking for suggestions of random places to move, (I have no connections to Wales for example) I don't actually want to move... I'm Scottish and I love where I live, I just feel adrift and not sure what to do about it. It just feels so depressing.
Those saying SNP didn't get a majority, that's not going to stop them - NS has already announced she will pursue it as they have a mandate. They increased their share. Given the fact lots of England keep voting for their own undoing, I do understand some of the reasons for wanting Scottish independence, so I'm not unsympathetic to it, I just think it's such a final thing and ignores the fact that there are plenty of English people who hate the status quo too.
I think it all went horribly wrong when Nick Clegg sold his soul in order to get a vote on proportional representation but then what we got to vote on was timid and was v poorly campaigned for so it was such a wasted opportunity that it never happened. If that had been done better we might not be in this mess now.

@SteveArnottsWaistcoat

They didn’t get a majority government. It’ll be very hard for them to call an indyref any time soon.

But just like a toddler who wants another biscuit and won’t stop whining until you either give them another biscuit, or get them to sit on the naughty step...that crying and whining won’t stop.

Does anyone remember, in Indyref1, what financial info was put forward as evidence we could survive financially being separate from rUK?

I don't want to move either but have lost family recently and feeling a bit "untethered" as a result and this pushes me that bit closer to the edge. am pretty sure my kids would talk me back from the edge if i ever raised it but will see how i feel in another week or two!

@Hobnob39

I probably didn't make it clear in my OP, but it's not that I am looking for suggestions of random places to move, (I have no connections to Wales for example) I don't actually want to move... I'm Scottish and I love where I live, I just feel adrift and not sure what to do about it. It just feels so depressing. Those saying SNP didn't get a majority, that's not going to stop them - NS has already announced she will pursue it as they have a mandate. They increased their share. Given the fact lots of England keep voting for their own undoing, I do understand some of the reasons for wanting Scottish independence, so I'm not unsympathetic to it, I just think it's such a final thing and ignores the fact that there are plenty of English people who hate the status quo too. I think it all went horribly wrong when Nick Clegg sold his soul in order to get a vote on proportional representation but then what we got to vote on was timid and was v poorly campaigned for so it was such a wasted opportunity that it never happened. If that had been done better we might not be in this mess now.

I'm really sorry you feel depressed. Being an independent country is just that. I'm not sure why it would be the 'undoing' of English people. Brexit and Scottish independence are completely distinct in that Brexit involved the UK Gov aiming to cut all free movement, trade deals etc with Europe ( and Tory donors making billions from short selling). Independence is normal. Scotland is looking to be an equal partner with England. There is currently free movement between England and the Republic of Ireland. I have friends and family all over the UK and in Dublin. Pre covid, I'd see them often and this is just starting to happen again.

@LizzieMacQueen

Does anyone remember, in Indyref1, what financial info was put forward as evidence we could survive financially being separate from rUK?

It was largely based on the never ending porridge pot of Oil. It was also a complete fudge which later came to light.

I think we in Scotland need a very simple, easy to understand, picture of our national finances. Where it comes from, where it goes, how many wealth generating employers we have versus how many publishers service employers.

Before we get to a referendum, I would like to see a realistic economic recovery plan; add that to a realistic improvement. In education plan; and an understanding of the support the NHS will have to get anywhere close to clearing waiting times.
Sorry, rant over…

I too feel very disconnected right now.

• public services, not publishers !

I am also v depressed by the result and the bitter division that another indyref will bring but I don’t see anyway out now to be honest. We will definitely investigate moving to England in the next few years ( if England will have us). I love Scotland and I hate what the SNP is doing to it.

. I have friends and family all over the UK and in Dublin. Pre covid, I'd see them often and this is just starting to happen again.

Oh @StarryEyeSurprise you were able to see f&f across the U.K. and Ireland pre covid?

We’re allowed to see friends who live outside Scotland?! Actually south of Berwick?
Do you think this would still be allowed in an inde Scotland? Game changer for me, if so.

The OPs DH will be most cheered by this, I’m sure.

You are not alone. It's been an awful election. Yet another in a long line of them.

Indyref1 was horrendous for me. In my head I feel almost resigned to the fact there will be an indyref2 and that it will be a yes. I need to feel that way to try to get used to the horror of it. I agree with the toddler analogy, folk won't stop whinging about it until they have it, and then we're fucked. The last one was supposed to be once in a generation but they have not stopped complaining about it and seem to be totally ignoring that promise.

We're actually thinking about managing our immediate lives with the prospect of it hanging over us - for example we've been looking to move to our forever house and throw everything we have at it, money-wise. I don't want to end up in 5 years time without a job (company DH works for said they would move south last time) unable to afford the house on one income, house prices crashing around our ears and unable to sell. I feel like we're just waiting for the inevitable.

I find the rehetoric and the blind dogmatic following of independence so similar to the Brexit rhetoric. It's absolutely staggering that so many see Brexit as insular/divisive/damaging and don't feel the same about indy. I think lots of indy voters genuinely believe we'll get into Europe as an independent country despite being told we won't.

This is all before we get onto the SNPs current policies in relation to women, education, economics etc. It's all such a shit show.

I feel the same as you OP. I'm slightly annoyed at friends who didn't want to vote for SNP, couldn't bring themselves to vote conservative, so voted Green instead. Same net result it appears.

I'm from NI originally and DH is from England. We'll stay here until DS has finished his schooling in 3 years time - private school - and then see what the situation is. We're fully prepared to move to England.

We already pay more tax than we would in England- which I actually agree with if it genuinely seemed to make any difference to services provided - so how much more would we be expected to pay in an Independent Scotland? We're not oligarchs just middle class.

Anyway another unsettling few years - just what we need when financial recovery from Covid impact should be the priority.

I feel the same as you OP. Cannot bear the neverending news coverage of it. I agree we need a clear and honest answeron the finances. I can't believe oil, salmon and whiskey will pay for all of it. I work in biomedical research, how on earth are we going to work collaboratively if the funding bodies are in the UK and we're not. So depressed by it all. I think I should campaign for no indyref2, but then will be made out to be a Tory supporter.

Yes...feel just the same. Last time was just awful - division, hostilities and Scottish flags sprouting up everywhere. My husband and I (both Scottish) had made the decision that if Independence had gone ahead we'd leave the country. We breathed a sigh of relief when it didn't happen and it was "once in a generation" so we could live in the knowledge that it would be some considerable time before we'd have to face this again...if ever. It was not to be and now that my husband is sick we don't have the choice of moving so we're now stuck with round two and I just despair.

I feel totally depressed too -it is so unsettling
If there is a yes vote, we will either need to move over the border or lose my small profitable business - I sell 85% to rUK -, with a hard border , a different currency , & no universal royal mail , it will no longer be viable. Likewise for thousands of other small to medium businesses
I have already stopped selling to EU- as Brexit has made exports is a total pain ,

I know DH does not really want to leave Scotland although he says he will go along what I think is right , so I feel the pressure is all on my shoulders,

I can understand the emotional ,political and better society arguments for Indy , but without a flourishing economy there will either need to be austerity . The economics just do no not add up to me in short / medium term and will bring hardship to many
I thought Anas Sarwar fought a good positive campaign on issues rather than the constitution , but it did not break though
Part of me thinks just bring it on and get it over with -- as long all the economic facts are fully on the table , and no further indy refs for a real generation

The toddler analogy is spot on @Bytheloch

I was gobsmacked by a friend who is my secret GC ally from work, we've spent a lot of the last year sharing GC/feminist stuff and discussing the issues with the SNP. He hates the SNP and has been totally on board with the 6 words campaign etc.

He posted on Facebook a few weeks ago his votes would be 1) SNP and 2) Alba. Independence at all costs. Radfem until it comes to indy, then his belief in protecting women's rights can get tae.